USAF

[PWC]

Well, I never thought I would start a thread here.....I just read that the USAF is now goong to allow tirbans and hijabs. Why do we allow religous implements and representations used by those that overtly are trying to destroy our way of life.

None of the Arab states allow Christians in their service, let alone bibles. I am now ashamed of the AF leadership.

[dogtag]

They've just joined the PC club. Now they'll get invited to democrat soirees.

[Vern Humphrey]

It's not like we're drafting people any more -- if you don't want to wear the uniform we issue, don't sign up.

[blackhawknj]

I saw picture of a Sikh-an Army officer, Engineers-in his blue uniform. He looked like he should have fought in the Civil War. The British had their regiments of the "martial races" during their Raj, perhaps that's what we need.

[Vern Humphrey]

I saw picture of a Sikh-an Army officer, Engineers-in his blue uniform. He looked like he should have fought in the Civil War. The British had their regiments of the "martial races" during their Raj, perhaps that's what we need.

But the British formed ethnic units -- regiments that were all Irish, Scots, Sikh, Nepalese and so on. It doesn't work that well when you mix them up and allow them to exhibit their ethnic differences.

[PWC]

It's not like we're drafting people any more -- if you don't want to wear the uniform we issue, don't sign up.

That's the problem, just because they apply, doesn't mean they should be accepted. I know more people mean fewer rotations to the sand box. Eventually "they" will rise to positions of influence.

[Vern Humphrey]

That's the problem, just because they apply, doesn't mean they should be accepted.

That's exactly right. Service is for the benefit of the country, not for the benefit of the individual.

I know more people mean fewer rotations to the sand box. Eventually "they" will rise to positions of influence.

During the Viet Nam War, I met many a man that I could have happily done without, even if it meant fewer of us in the line units.

[togor]

Well, I never thought I would start a thread here.....I just read that the USAF is now goong to allow tirbans and hijabs. Why do we allow religous implements and representations used by those that overtly are trying to destroy our way of life.

None of the Arab states allow Christians in their service, let alone bibles. I am now ashamed of the AF leadership.

Wouldn't it be against the Constitution to establish or exclude religions for the services?

[lyman]

Wouldn't it be against the Constitution to establish or exclude religions for the services?

likely,

on a side note , a friend found out you can grow a beard in the Army if you get a religious exemption,

seems the Norse Religion (forget what he called it) allows you to have a beard, and the Army has an exemption for it,

he does CW and WW1\WW2 German reenacting,, and gets tired of shaving his beard when he has to report for he weekend duty,

[RED]

Wouldn't it be against the Constitution to establish or exclude religions for the services?

So, Private Peebles decides he doesn't want to answer Reveille and sack out all morning and then go home to Mommy... Does the Sgt. have to read him his rights, get him a lawyer, and get an arrest warrant, and ask a Judge if he can restrain the Private from leaving?

The military is ruled by the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

In 1970, beards, mustaches, longer hair, and sideburns were allowed in the Navy by the new CNO, Elmo Zumwalt. If I understand it this new rule only applies to the USAF, and it is unclear whether or not the USAF is a member of the military or are they, in fact, a Country Club with golf courses all over the world.

[togor]

Not sure what you're getting at Red. I'm looking at this:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Thinking the USAF is part of the US Government, and concluding that excluding non-Christians wouldn't fly (pun intended). The devils of accommodating religious practices in service regs are in the details.

[RED]

Not sure what you're getting at Red. I'm looking at this:



Thinking the USAF is part of the US Government, and concluding that excluding non-Christians wouldn't fly (pun intended). The devils of accommodating religious practices in service regs are in the details.

Liar!!! You know exactly what I am getting at. When you join or are drafted into the military, all your civilian rights under the Constitution are replaced. You are required to wear a uniform... and the uniform is regardless of religion or other ethnic values... everybody wears the same clothing and that is why it is called... a UNIFORM.

It has nothing to do with religion... If your religion requires you tho wear a phallus on your forehead you should reject serving in any military branch here or in even your favorite country, Venezuela.

[Roadkingtrax]

Don't tell Red about maternity uniforms.

[PWC]

Who is the "true" believer? The Muslum who go to mosque, and bow to Mecca 5 times a day and chant the Koran, or the terrorist that practices the Koran teaching of killing the infidel, or take him captive at every opportunity? Why didn't we see the "moderate" Muslims come out against the radical Muslim terrorists? Both moderate and radical use the same holy book, thier Koran. Do the moderates believe any less?

It's all Abraham and Sarah's fault. Abraham should have kept his sword sheathed.

[togor]

Sigh....

Red, the USAF can't require a Muslim to convert to Christianity as a precondition of joining the USAF without running afoul of the First Amendment to the Constitution.

The "true believer test" is an interesting idea, hypothetically, but impossible in practical terms. I know little about Islam, but a fair bit about Christianity, and sometimes wonder at some of the claims I encounter. There was this one guy who says his pastor told him that Jesus wants everyone who can to carry a gun. For example.