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[togor]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...ttorney-116379

Abnormal behavior breeds more abnormal behavior. TDS isn't what some people think it is.

[Roadkingtrax]

It would be interesting how many death threats a day people in the media, or with a career in public domain, might receive through social media.

[togor]

Q: when did rabble-rousing become Conservative?

A: It never did!

Consequently, one can (and should) criticize it at every turn and it's no insult to Conservatism.

[Sandpebble]

Don't worry too much about the man who threatened the whitle blower

worst case is the King will grant commutation.... otherwise he'll receive a pardon

[Johnny P]

The King is still the Kenyan:

Obama holds the record for the largest single-day use of the clemency power, granting 330 commutations on January 19, 2017, his last full day in office. He also issued more commutations than the past 13 presidents combined.

[S.A. Boggs]

Don't worry too much about the man who threatened the whitle blower

worst case is the King will grant commutation.... otherwise he'll receive a pardon

Togey be careful, your dummy is not making sense again.
Sam

[togor]

The King is still the Kenyan:

Obama holds the record for the largest single-day use of the clemency power, granting 330 commutations on January 19, 2017, his last full day in office. He also issued more commutations than the past 13 presidents combined.

I don't recall Obama having such a personal or political connection. The numbers themselves don't mean much do they? It's a big country and we prosecute a lot of people here for tons of reasons.

Put another way....pardons send a message to the public. What message is Trump sending? What message did Obama send?

[Roadkingtrax]

How many low level drug convictions = millions of dollars in white collar fraud convictions? Obviously the units convert somewhere.

[lyman]

so it is not the number of pardons or sentences commuted?


obama gives the most ever,, all is good,,

the rest of the presidents are all evil?

[Johnny P]

I don't recall Obama having such a personal or political connection. The numbers themselves don't mean much do they? It's a big country and we prosecute a lot of people here for tons of reasons.

Put another way....pardons send a message to the public. What message is Trump sending? What message did Obama send?

Yes. Recall is a variable in that you tend to remember what you want and forget the rest.

[togor]

so it is not the number of pardons or sentences commuted?


obama gives the most ever,, all is good,,

the rest of the presidents are all evil?

I'm pointing out that the number isn't the only thing. Even Obama's numbers didn't scratch the Federal prison population.

I'm asking: what message is Trump sending with his pardons, versus others. With Blago's clemency, multiple possibilities exist, including:

* A soft spot for officials busted using the office for personal gain

* Trolling the opposition, as if these kinds of offenses are just a big joke

Neither of those strike me as honorable motives.

[togor]

Story on Obama pardon.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/obama-announces-record-wave-of-pardons-commutations

Article talks numbers, but within there is this:

Eggleston said each clemency recipient's story is unique, but a common thread of rehabilitation underlies all of them. Pardon recipients have shown they have led a productive and law-abiding post-conviction life, including by contributing to the community in a meaningful way, he said.

Which sounds a lot like the sentencing reform that Trump passed, when you think of it.

Meanwhile, Trump:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/19/u...p-pardons.html

Behind paywall, so a quote:

The clemency orders that the president issued that day to celebrity felons like Mr. Kerik, Rod R. Blagojevich and Michael R. Milken came about through a typically Trumpian process, an ad hoc scramble that bypassed the formal procedures used by past presidents and was driven instead by friendship, fame, personal empathy and a shared sense of persecution. While aides said the timing was random, it reinforced Mr. Trump’s antipathy toward the law enforcement establishment.

I think on this point we all lean towards Obama's view, which is that redemption ought to count more than connections.

[S.A. Boggs]

I'm pointing out that the number isn't the only thing. Even Obama's numbers didn't scratch the Federal prison population.

I'm asking: what message is Trump sending with his pardons, versus others. With Blago's clemency, multiple possibilities exist, including:

* A soft spot for officials busted using the office for personal gain

* Trolling the opposition, as if these kinds of offenses are just a big joke

Neither of those strike me as honorable motives.

Define please.
Sam

[togor]

Explain what honorable means?

[S.A. Boggs]

Explain what honorable means?

Your definition.
Sam