Democrats voter fraud campaign up and running ...

[dogtag]

When a story about voter fraud appears they don't need
to explain that they're democrats.
There's also no need to explain why Elephants are heavy.
Some things are so obvious they don't need an explanation - you just know.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/group-threatens-lawsuits-over-suspiciously-high-voter-registration-rates-in-swing-states

[Vern Humphrey]

Not at all uncommon. Step one is to see who controls the counties in question. In solid Democrat counties, the practice is often not to follow the law in purging the rolls. This means there are people on the rolls who are either no longer living or no longer in the county. Votes can be cast based on their registrations -- and it can be blamed on sloppy book keeping if discovered.

[m1ashooter]

Its already happening in Harris County Texas with early voting.

[Vern Humphrey]

Its already happening in Harris County Texas with early voting.

Take a look at absentee voting -- that's where most of the fraud will occur.

[togor]

Early voting does not equal fraud. At least not in my state. To receive a ballot one has to be on the rolls, same as voting in person. A ballot is submitted, with a signature, and run through the machine on voting day by election officials.

Someone want to explain to me why that is a bad system? I suppose someone can fill out the ovals for the absentee, who just signs the envelope and mails it in, but that's really no different than a voter in person being told who to vote for by someone else ahead of time. In the old days women voted how their husbands told them. Voter fraud?

[lyman]

Early voting does not equal fraud. At least not in my state. To receive a ballot one has to be on the rolls, same as voting in person. A ballot is submitted, with a signature, and run through the machine on voting day by election officials.

Someone want to explain to me why that is a bad system? I suppose someone can fill out the ovals for the absentee, who just signs the envelope and mails it in, but that's really no different than a voter in person being told who to vote for by someone else ahead of time. In the old days women voted how their husbands told them. Voter fraud?

you have called the part in bold voter suppression in the past

[togor]

you have called the part in bold voter suppression in the past

The rolls are the rolls, meaning absentee balloting in no way bypasses them, at least in my state. Maybe Arkansas is different.

As for laws and lawsuits erroring on the side of kicking people off the rolls instead of leaving them on (and requiring matching ID on election day), yes, suppression.

Two different aspects of voting.

[S.A. Boggs]

Early voting does not equal fraud. At least not in my state. To receive a ballot one has to be on the rolls, same as voting in person. A ballot is submitted, with a signature, and run through the machine on voting day by election officials.

Someone want to explain to me why that is a bad system? I suppose someone can fill out the ovals for the absentee, who just signs the envelope and mails it in, but that's really no different than a voter in person being told who to vote for by someone else ahead of time. In the old days women voted how their husbands told them. Voter fraud?

Pray tell, what state do you live in?
Sam

[Vern Humphrey]

you have called the part in bold voter suppression in the past

I wish you guys would stop quoting these people!

That post of his is the most specious load of crap I've seen in a long time.

First of all, he's confusing early voting with absentee voting.

Secondly, the fraud comes in putting people on the rolls who are not entitled to vote -- people who are dead, not residents or not citizens.

Third, any fool can sign a ballot in someone else's name -- I once ran through a stack of over 100 absentee ballot requests and compared the signatures with the signatures on the original voter registration forms. They weren't even close.

And finally, he appears to have no problem with someone fillibng out the ovals for an absentee who is dead or non-existent.

[togor]

If only there was an adjective to describe someone who doesn't read a post before dissecting it.

If early voting isn't considered fraud, then why is Texas curtailing it?

The reason is that they figured out that people using it tend to vote the other way. So by inconveniencing a specific group, one can nudge the spread in a favorable direction.

"Mrs. Johnson has voted in every election since 1928", absentee for the last 40 years. Love to see that example brought up for real and not urban legend.

Absentee oval-filling by power-of-attorney could be considered fraud. Yet it happens more than people will admit.

[m1ashooter]

Early voting does not equal fraud. At least not in my state. To receive a ballot one has to be on the rolls, same as voting in person. A ballot is submitted, with a signature, and run through the machine on voting day by election officials.

Someone want to explain to me why that is a bad system? I suppose someone can fill out the ovals for the absentee, who just signs the envelope and mails it in, but that's really no different than a voter in person being told who to vote for by someone else ahead of time. In the old days women voted how their husbands told them. Voter fraud?

Harris Country has 94 confirmed cases of the same name voting twice during early voting. It is not a condemnation of early voting equals fraud, but a simple fact that so far 94 names have voted twice so far during our states early voting period.

[lyman]

The rolls are the rolls, meaning absentee balloting in no way bypasses them, at least in my state. Maybe Arkansas is different.

As for laws and lawsuits erroring on the side of kicking people off the rolls instead of leaving them on (and requiring matching ID on election day), yes, suppression.

Two different aspects of voting.

how do they know you are on the rolls?

check your ID? or just compare the name on the ballot ? or?

[togor]

Harris Country has 94 confirmed cases of the same name voting twice during early voting. It is not a condemnation of early voting equals fraud, but a simple fact that so far 94 names have voted twice so far during our states early voting period.

Slow down a sec.

You don't know if it's a data entry error or actual double voting. Also, there are 4M people in Harris County. 92 is easily in the range of statistical noise for duplicate names.

Also, how did Texas give out two ballots to the same requestor? Each absentee ballot should have some mark on it indicating it's an original ballot and not a photocopy.

Lastly, has the ballot been counted? In my state the mailed in ones don't get run until the election. Is Texas different? It makes a difference, because here if I mailed in two ballots, that duplication would invalidate both.

To me this sounds like Texas GOP BS that won't stand up to scrutiny. But since it's the accusation and not the proof that matters, it's (to quote a famous Texan) Mission Accomplished!

https://kprcradio.iheart.com/featured/the-pursuit-of-happiness/content/2020-02-27-harris-county-early-voting-92-people-have-voted-twice-this-year/

The Ballot Security Committee for the Republicans analyzed voter data from the “election roster” on the County Clerk’s website, and after sorting they found that as of Tuesday morning, 92 people had voted twice, according to Genevieve Carter, communications director for the Harris County Republican Party.

“The County Clerk’s data shows that they received a mail ballot from ‘Mr. A’ on February 3, another mail ballot from ‘Mr. A’ on February 5,” Alan Vera, chairman of the Harris County Republican Party Ballot Security Committee, told Commissioners Court on Tuesday.

Vera provided Commissioners Court with a copy of the spreadsheet of voters whose names, addresses and voter ID showed up twice on the County Clerk’s roster of early voters

[togor]

how do they know you are on the rolls?

check your ID? or just compare the name on the ballot ? or?

You get on the rolls by filling out the state form. It's at the state level so you can't be in more than one place at a time. To vote absentee, you send a request form to the municipal clerk where you would vote, with a copy of your ID. They write down in ink in the paper record of the voting rolls that you were issued an absentee ballot. The ballots are opened on election day and run through the machine.

When I show up on election day I sign in a box that I was issued a ballot. If I mess it up there's a procedure. If my kid away at school votes absentee I can see their name on the rolls next to mine with stuff filled in showing they got a ballot issued to them. If someone messes up an absentee ballot that's probably a paperwork nightmare for the clerk, so be careful with those.

As much as possible the absentee process is integrated with normal voting. Clerks run the absentee ballots through on election day during the slower times. Seems like a pretty good system to me.

[lyman]

You get on the rolls by filling out the state form. It's at the state level so you can't be in more than one place at a time. To vote absentee, you send a request form to the municipal clerk where you would vote, with a copy of your ID. They write down in ink in the paper record of the voting rolls that you were issued an absentee ballot. The ballots are opened on election day and run through the machine.

When I show up on election day I sign in a box that I was issued a ballot. If I mess it up there's a procedure. If my kid away at school votes absentee I can see their name on the rolls next to mine with stuff filled in showing they got a ballot issued to them. If someone messes up an absentee ballot that's probably a paperwork nightmare for the clerk, so be careful with those.

As much as possible the absentee process is integrated with normal voting. Clerks run the absentee ballots through on election day during the slower times. Seems like a pretty good system to me.

so , voter suppression......................