I'd be in trouble if I lived in Italy

[rayg]

Me being 80 yrs old..Hope that don't happen here..By the way, Wasn't there a movie long ago were older people over 30-40 were killed off to save food/resourses as younger people took over the government. I hope I'm not in trouble...Lol

Italian coronavirus victims over 80 will not receive treatment if situation worsens under emergency plans, as PM warns country is entering its 'riskiest weeks'
Italian coronavirus patients who are 80 or older will not receive intensive care if the crisis worsens, under emergency plans being proposed in Turin.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...o=taboola_feed

[togor]

Ray do you think you'll try to ride it out where you are or come north in the spring?

[Gun Smoke]

Me being 80 yrs old..Hope that don't happen here..By the way, Wasn't there a movie long ago were older people over 30-40 were killed off to save food/resourses as younger people took over the government. I hope I'm not in trouble...Lol

Italian coronavirus victims over 80 will not receive treatment if situation worsens under emergency plans, as PM warns country is entering its 'riskiest weeks'
Italian coronavirus patients who are 80 or older will not receive intensive care if the crisis worsens, under emergency plans being proposed in Turin.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...o=taboola_feed

This is what Sarah Palin tried to warn everyone about concerning obamacare and the "death panels". Any form of socialized healthcare will let the older folks die in order to provide for the younger generation who can continue to work and pay taxes even though the older folks are the ones who have paid in all their lives, not only through taxation but with health insurance.

[togor]

This is what Sarah Palin tried to warn everyone about concerning obamacare and the "death panels". Any form of socialized healthcare will let the older folks die in order to provide for the younger generation who can continue to work and pay taxes even though the older folks are the ones who have paid in all their lives, not only through taxation but with health insurance.

No,

They don't have enough ICU beds for the number of people who are sick.

That's both public and private hospitals (Italy, like the USA, has multiple systems).

Sarah Palin? Are you kidding?

Sadly, you're not.

[rayg]

Togie..still in Florida, probably will stay a bit there. They say hot kills the virus and I'm sure it will get hot here..Lol.

[togor]

Still in Florida, probably will stay a bit there. They say hot kills the virus and I'm sure it will get hot here..Lol.

Good plan.

[Roadkingtrax]

This is what Sarah Palin tried to warn everyone about concerning obamacare and the "death panels". Any form of socialized healthcare will let the older folks die in order to provide for the younger generation who can continue to work and pay taxes even though the older folks are the ones who have paid in all their lives, not only through taxation but with health insurance.

You must have watched her on The Masked Singer, and remembered her vapid ass was still alive.

Watch ANY nature show with prey and predators, and you'll know just where nature wants the sick, old, and the young. If you're not contributing, you're taking...and non-value added to society.

[Gun Smoke]

No,

They don't have enough ICU beds for the number of people who are sick.

That's both public and private hospitals (Italy, like the USA, has multiple systems).

Sarah Palin? Are you kidding?

Sadly, you're not.

I'm talking about here and obamacare 10 years ago and you know it. Plenty of ICU beds.

Sarah Palin ? She would have been a hell of lot better than what we ended up with. McCain not so much so.

[dogtag]

If you were a Doctor with two patients, a 17 year old and an 80 year old
and you could save only one of them - who would you choose ?

[S.A. Boggs]

If you were a Doctor with two patients, a 17 year old and an 80 year old
and you could save only one of them - who would you choose ?

The 80 year of course, does one honesty think a 17 has money?
Sam

[dogtag]

The 80 year of course, does one honesty think a 17 has money?
Sam

Correct.

[lyman]

The 80 year of course, does one honesty think a 17 has money?
Sam

unless the 17 yr old is on a better plan thru it's parents

[togor]

Or if the 17 year old was one of Sarah Palin's kids.

[Roadkingtrax]

Or if the 17 year old was one of Sarah Palin's kids.

Or if the 17 year old had universal health care, and cost was not an individual burden. In fact, both individuals would be covered.

[togor]

Or if the 17 year old had universal health care, and cost was not an individual burden. In fact, both individuals would be covered.

Years ago (20?) I had a phone conversation with an HR guy for a medical company that was looking for engineers, to which a buddy of mine had already gone to work. The guy said something, in passing, that stuck with me then, and which has been said many times since, but really hasn't sunk in as far as it should. He pointed out that people are always going to pay whatever it takes to get better, so that makes health care a great field to get into (from the perspective of making a profit). The flip side of that is that it is an open-ended (and thus ultimately unstable) spiral of new treatments and higher costs, for incrementally smaller returns.

In the 1950's for example, to pick a moment in time, health care costs were limited by the fact that there was only so much they could sell people. There weren't fancy MRI chambers or dialysis machines or exotic drugs. And the business of delivery was largely through non-profit institutions.

If our patchwork, for-profit system gets blown apart by this crisis, then there is a pretty good chance that it will be rebuilt differently afterwards. Rebuilt in a way that allows it to withstand the next pandemic. We'll have examples to study elsewhere in the world.