Just Some Covid 19 thoughts to keep stuff in perspective.

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  • Art
    Senior Member, Deceased
    • Dec 2009
    • 9256

    #1

    Just Some Covid 19 thoughts to keep stuff in perspective.

    In the U.S. there have so far been 1,629 cases of the corona virus and 41 deaths. Italy had 4,000 new cases and 49 deaths yesterday. The United States has 330 million people and Italy has 60 1/2 million. Italy is just the worst of the European Union countries all of which are in worse shape than we are. I found it interesting in last night's debate that Biden dinged Sanders with the failure of single payer health care states to control the problem.

    The reason for that is we were quicker off the mark than the Euros. The Prez cut off travel from China at the end of January which no one noticed at the time except for the WOKE crowd and their lackeys who immediately called the Prez a RACIST because we all know the Prez is a RACIST. Being a RACIST didn't stop him from doing the same thing when affairs got out of hand in Europe.

    The Governor of California has said repeatedly that he thinks the RACIST is doing quite a good job and that the RACIST has given him everything he's asked for. Even the Governor of New York in his daily missives on the pandemic has grudgingly admitted that the RACIST has done some good stuff. The aforementioned Governor of New York has made some quite good suggestions and I think he is cementing his possibility of running for President with a decent chance to win later. I will promise you that if the Newsom and Cuomo could have dumped all over President Trump they would have done it.

    One really disgusting aside. The FBI has used this domination of the news cycle by the pandemic for cover to announce that they have lost (anybody got a match?) all of the files relating to Michael Flynn. Just another sign of the despicable behavior of the DOJ and FBI in their Bolshevik style "investigations" of the Trump administration. So Michael Flynn will probably have his conviction overturned as the result of the DOJ and the Bureau's tacit admission of their frame job. Of course that won't change the fact that Flynn has had to nearly impoverish himself fighting the whole "trumped up" (pun intended) attempt by the Bureaucracy at a bloodless coup.

    Oh, about the use of the President's family as part of a "Kitchen Cabinet." I recall that President Kennedy had his brother appointed Attorney General for the same reason President Trump uses his family, he feels he can trust them and they are generally competent. Bobby Kennedy was at least a competent guy (when he wasn't being blackmailed by Hoover) which is more than I can say about Bill Clinton's assignment of his wife to overhaul the health care system. A task in which she showed herself to be spectacularly incompetent.

    So far I think this country has handled the problem in an exemplary fashion and the results, up to now, have been at least as good as can be expected with the tools at hand.
    Last edited by Art; 03-16-2020, 09:46.
  • Vern Humphrey
    Administrator - OFC
    • Aug 2009
    • 15875

    #2
    Originally posted by Art
    Oh, about the use of the President's family as part of a "Kitchen Cabinet." I recall that President Kennedy had his brother appointed Attorney General for the same reason President Trump uses his family, he feels he can trust them and they are generally competent. Bobby Kennedy was at least a competent guy (when he wasn't being blackmailed by Hoover) which is more than I can say about Bill Clinton's assignment of his wife to overhaul the health care system. A task in which she showed herself to be spectacularly incompetent.
    I wondered when someone was going to bring this up. Apparently appointing family members is only wrong when Republicans do it.

    As an aside, remember Hillary's point man, Ira Magaziner, broke the law and was fined -- and the Democrats demanded the government pay his fine!!

    Who was the victim in Magaziner's crime? The taxpayer!!

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    • S.A. Boggs
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 8568

      #3
      Originally posted by Art
      In the U.S. there have so far been 1,629 cases of the corona virus and 41 deaths. Italy had 4,000 new cases and 49 deaths yesterday. The United States has 330 million people and Italy has 60 1/2 million. Italy is just the worst of the European Union countries all of which are in worse shape than we are. I found it interesting in last night's debate that Biden dinged Sanders with the failure of single payer health care states to control the problem.

      The reason for that is we were quicker off the mark than the Euros. The Prez cut off travel from China at the end of January which no one noticed at the time except for the WOKE crowd and their lackeys who immediately called the Prez a RACIST because we all know the Prez is a RACIST. Being a RACIST didn't stop him from doing the same thing when affairs got out of hand in Europe.

      The Governor of California has said repeatedly that he thinks the RACIST is doing quite a good job and that the RACIST has given him everything he's asked for. Even the Governor of New York in his daily missives on the pandemic has grudgingly admitted that the RACIST has done some good stuff. The aforementioned Governor of New York has made some quite good suggestions and I think he is cementing his possibility of running for President with a decent chance to win later. I will promise you that if the Newsom and Cuomo could have dumped all over President Trump they would have done it.

      One really disgusting aside. The FBI has used this domination of the news cycle by the pandemic for cover to announce that they have lost (anybody got a match?) all of the files relating to Michael Flynn. Just another sign of the despicable behavior of the DOJ and FBI in their Bolshevik style "investigations" of the Trump administration. So Michael Flynn will probably have his conviction overturned as the result of the DOJ and the Bureau's tacit admission of their frame job. Of course that won't change the fact that Flynn has had to nearly impoverish himself fighting the whole "trumped up" (pun intended) attempt by the Bureaucracy at a bloodless coup.

      Oh, about the use of the President's family as part of a "Kitchen Cabinet." I recall that President Kennedy had his brother appointed Attorney General for the same reason President Trump uses his family, he feels he can trust them and they are generally competent. Bobby Kennedy was at least a competent guy (when he wasn't being blackmailed by Hoover) which is more than I can say about Bill Clinton's assignment of his wife to overhaul the health care system. A task in which she showed herself to be spectacularly incompetent.

      So far I think this country has handled the problem in an exemplary fashion and the results, up to now, have been at least as good as can be expected with the tools at hand.
      Do you see where the good governor wants into the U.S. medical war reserve and demands the Corp of Engineers manufacture a hospital in N.Y.!
      Sam

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      • Art
        Senior Member, Deceased
        • Dec 2009
        • 9256

        #4
        Originally posted by S.A. Boggs
        Do you see where the good governor wants into the U.S. medical war reserve and demands the Corp of Engineers manufacture a hospital in N.Y.!
        Sam
        I did hear that part of one of his talks. I actually don't think that's a bad idea if, after this passes the facility(s) is "mothballed" for the next disaster and not converted into some other use wanted by some politician's brother in law. The Chinese actually did that in Wuhan. I recall back in the 1980s the city of Houston re discovered an underground health facility that was a cold war relic. The equipment was all very outdated but was intact and usable if very dusty. It had been set up to keep the big shots in business in case of nuclear war. It shows the idea isn't new.
        Last edited by Art; 03-16-2020, 12:51.

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        • togor
          Banned
          • Nov 2009
          • 17610

          #5
          Well RFK was a lawyer so making him AG at least has some logic to it.

          Kushner really hasn't made any meaningful mark on any of the errands Trump has given him, so he has the rep now as something of a ne'er-do-well son-in-law moonlighting in the administration.

          Someone ought to be able to point that out.

          Trump telling the governors that they're on their own as far as getting ventilators is an eyebrow raising message. If this goes south (and I genuinely hope it doesn't), he might wish he hadn't done that.

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          • Roadkingtrax
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2010
            • 7835

            #6
            3927 Cases, 68 Deaths in the US.

            West Virginia is the only remaining state without a documented case. Might be a joke there somewhere, but them's the facts.
            "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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            • Art
              Senior Member, Deceased
              • Dec 2009
              • 9256

              #7
              Originally posted by Roadkingtrax
              3927 Cases, 68 Deaths in the US.

              West Virginia is the only remaining state without a documented case. Might be a joke there somewhere, but them's the facts.
              Changes fast doesn't it?

              - - - Updated - - -

              Originally posted by togor
              Well RFK was a lawyer so making him AG at least has some logic to it.

              Kushner really hasn't made any meaningful mark on any of the errands Trump has given him, so he has the rep now as something of a ne'er-do-well son-in-law moonlighting in the administration.

              Someone ought to be able to point that out.

              Trump telling the governors that they're on their own as far as getting ventilators is an eyebrow raising message. If this goes south (and I genuinely hope it doesn't), he might wish he hadn't done that.


              Of course if Hillary Clinton was president that would be quite ok wouldn't it? Or at least not worth mentioning.

              Kushner and Ivanka Trump brought the problems with the Crime Control Act of 1993 to Trump's attention through Kanye West and Kim Kardashian and then were put in charge of getting Criminal Justice Reform passed which they did. I consider that "something."

              RFK was a competent AG. He was a successful "crime buster" and almost all of the limited Civil Rights progress in the Kennedy Administration was attributable to him not his brother who was mostly worthless on it. The biggest black mark on his record was signing off on the Martin Luther King wiretaps, because, as I mentioned previously, Hoover was blackmailing him and JFK.
              Last edited by Art; 03-16-2020, 12:15.

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              • Roadkingtrax
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2010
                • 7835

                #8
                Originally posted by Art
                Changes fast doesn't it?
                Exponentially you might say.

                Stay safe. I wouldn't want anyone to deal with this Illness.
                "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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                • lyman
                  Administrator - OFC
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 11269

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Roadkingtrax
                  3927 Cases, 68 Deaths in the US.

                  West Virginia is the only remaining state without a documented case. Might be a joke there somewhere, but them's the facts.
                  I was in WVA Sun/Mon,

                  a lot of folks were joking about it, (heard a few jokes from the guy I visited to buy his estate)


                  I did swing by a likker store to see if pricing/availability was different than here in VA,, and the clerk had gloves and a mask on,

                  even he was joking, but was told to wear them by his boss,


                  most common joke was,,

                  why does no one in WVA have BeerFlu?

                  cause every one is too poor to travel, and no one wants to come here

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                  • togor
                    Banned
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 17610

                    #10
                    Art,

                    The criminal reform act was not really a big deal to Trump World, but they figure it might help at the margins in the next election.

                    As for Italy....their rate of testing is way higher than ours, and the expectation here is that once we ramp up testing, there is going to be a big bump in cases. And testing is necessary to make sure the contagious people really do lock down.

                    Social isolation helps, but stopping movement of the active carriers is the thing.

                    We could be Italy in two weeks.

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                    • Art
                      Senior Member, Deceased
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 9256

                      #11
                      OK, I'm going to take those in order:

                      (1) We have had 85 deaths since the start of this. Italy had 368 deaths in one day on the 15th and they're having to make the "hard choice" about who gets on a ventilator. That stat is hard and fast and it doesn't lie. Also, the way some people on the left have been rooting for a disaster (though probably not this one in most cases) is dispicable, I hope you aren't one of them. Bill Mahr is the loudest but he isn't the only one "Joyuless" Bejar, for example has made similar comments. I will guarantee you in their heart of hearts they hope this does get worse and lasts into the fall, as long as they don't die.

                      (2) A trip down memory lane on criminal justice reform. The reason it happened was Kim Kardashian and Kanye West went to Ivanka Trump to see if she would go to the President to ask for a clemency for a woman who was doing decades of hard time for a minor drug offense because of the Crime Control Act of 1993. Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner then went to Donald Trump and presented this injustice to him. After a meeting with the Kushners and the Wests President Trump granted the (black) woman in question a clemency in the form of a commuted sentence. He then agreed that the sentencing provisions of the law were profoundly unjust and tasked Kushner with getting a reform bill done. Since that time thousands of people, mostly people of color have received commutations. Trump cannot have possibly thought this would help him in this year's election in any significant way at all. If he did those illusions would have been put to bed after the South Carolina Primary this year; which leads me to believe he did it because it was the right thing to do. Of course that explanation is impossible for you to accept because Donald Trump is the Anti Christ. Doing the right thing is significant to me.

                      The Democrats have had 22 years to do something about the sentencing inequities in the law and other than President Obama equalizing the sentencing for powder and rock cocaine they haven't done a thing except falling all over themselves in an election year apologizing for their enthusiastic support of the law when it was passed and their silence on it since then. This despite books having been written on the subject (read "The New Jim Crow" by Alexander.) The law was a Democrat sponsored bill proposed by a Democrat president and pushed by his wife. I don't agree with everything Alexander says but her comments relating to the racist portions of the bill in the narcotics sentencing parts (yeah I said it) are right on the money. Did I mention that the CCA '93 wouldn't exist without Bill and Hillary Clinton. Joe Biden also enthusiastically supported it. Of course no one is calling them racists.

                      We didn't think about sentencing inequalities because we were busy focusing on another part of the CCA '93 which was the assault weapons ban which shows again that where you stand on an issue depends on where you sit.
                      Last edited by Art; 03-17-2020, 11:22. Reason: where to start, redundancy, typos, grammar, syntax

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                      • Vern Humphrey
                        Administrator - OFC
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 15875

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Art
                        If he did those illusions would have been put to bed after the South Carolina Primary this year; which leads me to believe he did it because it was the right thing to do Of course that explanation is impossible for you to accept because Donald Trump is the Anti Christ. Doing the right thing is significant to me.
                        This is a standard liberal ploy -- "Okay, we admit he did the right thing, but he did it for the WRONG reason, so he's still evil."

                        That goes right along with, "Okay, we admit he didn't actually do anything wrong, but WE think he would do it, so he's still evil."

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                        • Roadkingtrax
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 7835

                          #13
                          5,000 cases this morning.
                          "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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                          • Art
                            Senior Member, Deceased
                            • Dec 2009
                            • 9256

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Roadkingtrax
                            5,000 cases this morning.
                            Sad but true, however there has been some flattening of the trajectory, hopefully that will continue.

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                            • dryheat
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 10587

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Roadkingtrax
                              5,000 cases this morning.
                              I just looked at some recent stats and I saw 4200, but this thing defines exponential.

                              -Italy announced 3,526 new cases of the novel coronavirus today,- This news was only minutes old. Kind of reminds me of one of those security camera views of the tornado. Hope it leaves that fast.
                              Why W. Virginia? Must be Jesus country. Nort and south Dakota were a couple of the last states to get it. That makes sense. Who goes there?
                              If I should die before I wake...great,a little more sleep.

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