Victim fires 5 rounds at close range at armed robber - and misses ...

[dogtag]

Back to the range fella. Sounds like you need a little practice.

https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/armed-gunman-who-robbed-two-stores-carjacked-vehicle-stopped-concealed-carry?utm_source=whatfinger

[SloopJohnB]

Sadly, "trained" Police often miss even more often. We could all use more Range time!

[dogtag]

Sadly, "trained" Police often miss even more often. We could all use more Range time!

Some years back I was at my club shooting my Martini Henry.
Also at the club were a couple of cops shooting their new supply of AR15s.
Their target was next to mine so I was surprised to find my target full of little holes.

[S.A. Boggs]

Two instances back home come to mind:

BATF agent wanted to try out his Mac 11 @ the indoor range, held the weapon out with one hand on full auto. Shot up the ceiling taking out several lights and ticking off the owner.

Village cop got into a chase and upon exiting his vehicle Barney Fife put two rounds into the dash with his new Model 39.

Sam

[dryheat]

There's a vid of a shoot out out on the hiway. You can see the half dozen cops taking chunks out of the asphalt -feet in front of the guy. The more expensive the rifle, the less the guy knows how to use it.

[Major Tom]

Happens quite often among leo's, especially in New York City.

[computermedic]

Have you ever heard of a New York trigger? Trigger pull on a New York Police Dept firearm is very heavy. Then add the stress of the incident and is no wonder they miss so much.

[Art]

It isn't "practice" that's required its training. Go to the range and watch the people there shoot, even the regulars. They plink. Plinking is not training. It's better than nothing but not by much. Even the most highly trained professionals often see their K5 hit percentage decline by as much as 60% when they "see the elephant." I belong to one of the few ranges that allows me to train and I'm one of the few who actually takes advantage of it. I do actual drills that have a purpose.

then of course there's the mental issue. Some people just have a cold heart and an iron hand. If they are trained they are brutally effective. I've known a few of those and you don't want to be on the opposite side of them in any kind of fight.

Unless you've faced the situation where you have to actually discharge your weapon in self defense don't be too critical. Unless you've been in the military I'll promise you the most poorly trained cop is probably actually better trained than you even if you're good at the run and gun games. I don't mean necessarily a better shot when there is no stress, I mean better trained to actually shoot people.

There are excellent training programs out there for civilians but most never take advantage of them.

[bdm]

Years ago i hit a deer called police to come and shoot it then then you to take the deer with a signed paper he shot 5 times and missed every time close range

[Art]

Years ago i hit a deer called police to come and shoot it then then you to take the deer with a signed paper he shot 5 times and missed every time close range

That's a level of incompetence that would have made it impossible to pass even the most basic qualification course, which would have made it impossible for him to graduate from the Academy.

I once had a U.S. Marshall's Service instructor tell a class that every one in law enforcement (or the profession of arms in the global sense) should take some time for meditation at least once a year to clarify in his mind if he could commit the necessary killing of another human being. He said if the answer was "no" you had a moral responsibility to turn in your badge. I know of one case in which this actually happened and the guy resigned from the force. I "betcha" this guy had such a block against killing he couldn't dispatch the deer. He needs to re think his profession.

[Vern Humphrey]

Remember what Uncle Billy Tilghman (the Marshal of the Last Frontier) said: "I never shot at a man in my life and missed him."