Headline: United States surpasses Italy as it becomes country with most coronavirus

[RED]

Anybody that believed this headline is accurate is a bumbling idiot... China itself could have millions of cases they haven't reported, and in Iran and other Muslim nations the virus has been largely turned loose because if a Muslim contracts COVID-19, that's Allah's wish.

12 million Chinese cell phones have gone off line, why?

The Socialist/Communist left wing radicals here are promoting this illness in and don't give a tinkers dam who gets hurt. The draconian measures, locking Americans up in their house, for example... When did the Government get the right to unconditionally jail citizens for visiting their dying mother or father?

A guy on a paddle board, 100's of yards from the nearest human... is threatened with jail time because he was spreading the virus to the fish around him. A perfect example of the dictator run government the liars and 'progressives' are trying to establish.

Heil Hitler and Forward Comrades are the new motto instead of God Bless America.

[togor]

Red the dip in cell subscriptions has been explained. Outside the US (somewhere you may not have been for awhile) people can have multiple mobile subscriptions on different SIM cards. Easy to switch. Long term contracts are not the service model.

If increased economy activity in China in the coming months causes an uptick in cell subscriptions, does this mean millions of people were suddenly born?

[Gun Smoke]

Yep the U.S. has the most cases that they ADMIT to.

As said before, as soon as China ran all the journalist out of their country they suddenly had no, as in zero, new cases. The spread and deaths stopped immediately.

[Sandpebble]

OK ... China may well be lying about its death toll ...... and sure it's possible/likely they have a greater death toll than the US.

But that doesn't mean it's not a fact we've passed the incredible death toll in Italy ....

And this makes us feel better.... why?

[lyman]

OK ... China may well be lying about its death toll ...... and sure it's possible/likely they have a greater death toll than the US.

But that doesn't mean it's not a fact we've passed the incredible death toll in Italy ....

And this makes us feel better.... why?

what is the percentage of deaths in the US vs Italy,

not looking to feel better, or worse,

just wondering,

since the number of dead is not a real comparison of population,, % would help tell the true story,

[RED]

Red the dip in cell subscriptions has been explained. Outside the US (somewhere you may not have been for awhile) people can have multiple mobile subscriptions on different SIM cards. Easy to switch. Long term contracts are not the service model.

If increased economy activity in China in the coming months causes an uptick in cell subscriptions, does this mean millions of people were suddenly born?

More lies and deceit. First of all it is China alone... its easy to switch is why 12 million cell phone numbers used by Chinese decided to quit and sheet canned their phones?

If increased economy activity in China in the coming months causes an uptick in cell subscriptions, does this mean millions of people were suddenly born?

No, it would mean the Chinese are lying again.

And so are you!

[Sandpebble]

what is the percentage of deaths in the US vs Italy,

not looking to feel better, or worse,

just wondering,

since the number of dead is not a real comparison of population,, % would help tell the true story,

OK Lyman , I accept your point...and even Reds... that corona deaths per "million" is lower {so far} in the United States than Italy.

However the United States has far larger areas of lower population per square mile than Italy, or Spain.

Question back to you.... how do we compare with Italy if we use comparable population areas like N.Y. California , Washington , New Orleans ?

As of today more than 20,000 deaths in the United States .... forget percentages of deaths per country ..... how do we ridicule a press that urges us to be cautious ?

20,000 deaths so far "here in the United States" .... that's the true story

[togor]

Red they dropped those extra lines because there are a lot of migrant workers in China who work in one province and call another home. When they shut stuff down, they dropped the unneeded lines.

You are, I assume, aware of the Chinese reputation for frugality?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...as-virus-bites

[lyman]

OK Lyman , I accept your point...and even Reds... that corona deaths per "million" is lower {so far} in the United States than Italy.

However the United States has far larger areas of lower population per square mile than Italy, or Spain.

Question back to you.... how do we compare with Italy if we use comparable population areas like N.Y. California , Washington , New Orleans ?

As of today more than 20,000 deaths in the United States .... forget percentages of deaths per country ..... how do we ridicule a press that urges us to be cautious ?

20,000 deaths so far "here in the United States" .... that's the true story

the press and others tend to look at the number of dead,


if you take a step back and look at percentages, that tells the story,


one person dead, as I said, it too many,

however to say 1 person, or 10,000 dead, and to have vastly different populations in the 2 areas compared is not a factual comparison,
just a bunch of drama intended to scare people,


you are a businessman, take a step back and compare the numbers, and the percentages,

then look at what the media is saying vs reality,


eta,

as far as comparing NY to Italy, or NY to Barcelona,, I'm not sure,

they are similar, but different demographics and cultures, (and behaviors) so not sure any 'deep dive' comparison would have value,,

[togor]

Not just 20K dead....but that many dead with the expectation that 99% of Americans haven't caught it yet.

Is it important for people to understand that? Pay attention to that reality? IMO, yes.

Are dramatic stories in the media necessary to make that happen? IMO, Probably. Many people act from emotion more strongly than from reason.

To that end the scary stories serve a purpose. I don't love seeing them either but I understand the reason for them.

[rayg]

A good point...

[Mark in Ottawa]

Using simple math of proportionality. China has 1,408.5 million people. USA has 328.2 million people. USA has 20,601 deaths as of April 12. Proportionally then China should have approximately (1408.5 / 328.2) X 20,601 = 88,411 deaths. They are still claiming that they only have 3,339 deaths. I don't think that there are too many people who believe anything that China says, unless they are either willfully blind or being coerced by the Chinese government.

We in the West are going to have to make some seriously strong decisions about our future relations with China and on their control of the world's production of the supply chains. They have truly demonstrated even to the naive that they are not to be trusted.

[togor]

No doubt the Chinese are not sharing stats. But they are sharing research, and their state has enormous coercive powers to bring to bear. So I doubt a simple proportionality argument holds.

Russia and DPRK numbers will also be fudged.

[Gun Smoke]

We in the West are going to have to make some seriously strong decisions about our future relations with China and on their control of the world's production of the supply chains. They have truly demonstrated even to the naive that they are not to be trusted.

My feelings exactly.

The whole world has been affected and China is no doubt under a magnifying glass. Not only did they hide the truth they have since tried to blame others for their "oops". Some nations may not take the untimely death of their leaders, loved ones, loss of trillions of dollars, a wrecked economy, loss of jobs, loss of savings, unnecessary grief, chaos and expense as lightly as the U.S. and the rest of the West.

In the future I expect China's heyday is over being the main exporter. Their economic strength has been used to make them a super power militarily.

We have always known that we shouldn't buy or be dependent upon China but what can we do when most everything comes for them? Some things are not even indicated as far as country of origin or it is disguised as coming from elsewhere.

In the long run I expect this to be a wake-up call for many countries. We/they should produce more of their own products or trade among known, trusted peaceful countries. If any of this happens, products will cost more but quality, service and warranties should be better too.

Perhaps we'll see a silver lining to this cloud that is long overdue.

[lyman]

the stats will do 2 things,

allow you to see what is really happening, (numbers matter, and I am not a math guy, )
and it just puts things in perspective ,


the media should be telling the story of what is happening, and how to protect you and your family,

but the over the top game show\reality show drama is just a bit much,