Oh Canada.

[lyman]

Well Art there are shootings and there are shootings.

Crime and suicide via handguns is something society has lived with for a long time. It represents a loss, but one to which the public has grown accustomed.

To the extent that there is a new animal stalking the forest, the politically motivated mass shooting with a high-firepower weapon, people look at that differently, specifically since it seems designed to influence public life, and isn't just for personal reasons.

Added:

https://globalnews.ca/news/6897787/nova-scotia-shooting-guns-used-assault-rifle-ban/

No specific type mentioned but said to be among those on the "bad" list.

no,


there are shootings,



banning a firearm used in a very few crimes just because it looks mean, or has a soft recoil and detachable magazine (hello, Mini 14 or 10/22 or M1 carbine) is banning or restricting due to features, nothing more,


remember, that trigger does not pull itself

[rayg]

That global news story is not properly written and wrong in my opinion or did I read it wrong?... The head line suggests the guns were prohibited at the time of the shooting. I thought the shooting occurred before the law was passed?.....

https://globalnews.ca/news/6897787/n...ult-rifle-ban/

[lyman]

That global news story is not properly written and wrong in my opinion or did I read it wrong?... The head line suggests the guns were prohibited at the time of the shooting. I thought the shooting occurred before the law was passed?.....
https://globalnews.ca/news/6897787/n...ult-rifle-ban/

reports I read elsewhere, (and on this forum as well, iirc) say he was prohibited from owning in canada

[rayg]

Just a question.... what was the date of the shooting and what was the date the band was adopted...

[clintonhater]

It is telling that we still don't know what weapon's were used in this mass killing in Canada.

Also tells us quite a lot about the Canadian definition of "free press." It's precisely because the instrument used was NOT an "assault rifle" that the douche bag occupying the PM's office continues to withhold this info. If an "assault rifle" HAD been used, the first words of his proclamation would have referred to that fact as justification for such drastic action.

[Art]

Actually, of course, the guns are not "responsible" for homicides, any more than spoons are "responsible" for obesity.

Correction made.

[barretcreek]

Public register? Seems unlikely.

Canada had a central registry of handguns(?) which was abandoned because it got hacked and let the crooks know who to rob.

[togor]

Canada had a central registry of handguns(?) which was abandoned because it got hacked and let the crooks know who to rob.

Clearly a dumb move by them.

[togor]

no,


there are shootings,



banning a firearm used in a very few crimes just because it looks mean, or has a soft recoil and detachable magazine (hello, Mini 14 or 10/22 or M1 carbine) is banning or restricting due to features, nothing more,


remember, that trigger does not pull itself

A few things,

1) armed political violence, aka terrorism, bothers the public in ways that one-off murders and suicides do not.

2) the point of targeted bans is not to get at the firearm death rate as a whole, but rather to reduce the peak firepower available to psychopaths and terrorists.

3) to the extent there is ever a minority culture that wants to be equipped to take up arms against the state, or the public, to further their interests, the majority would be remiss to not watch that carefully and take action if necessary.

[Vern Humphrey]

Also tells us quite a lot about the Canadian definition of "free press." It's precisely because the instrument used was NOT an "assault rifle" that the douche bag occupying the PM's office continues to withhold this info. If an "assault rifle" HAD been used, the first words of his proclamation would have referred to that fact as justification for such drastic action.

There was a Prime Minister of Canada who said, "We respect Freedom of Speech, but we don't worship it."

If you don't worship it, then you don't respect it -- because Freedom of Speech is the freedom to say what other people object to. You don't need Freedom of Speech to protect government-approved speech!

[lyman]

A few things,

1) armed political violence, aka terrorism, bothers the public in ways that one-off murders and suicides do not.

2) the point of targeted bans is not to get at the firearm death rate as a whole, but rather to reduce the peak firepower available to psychopaths and terrorists.

3) to the extent there is ever a minority culture that wants to be equipped to take up arms against the state, or the public, to further their interests, the majority would be remiss to not watch that carefully and take action if necessary.

1) yep, but what do the bans or restrictions do to stop that,

hint, one such happened in Va long ago, psycho shot at the pentagon or some type installation in NOVA
guess what, he was not on the fed list for psycho's, but Va found some stuff on him ,

that is one of the reasons why we are a POC state, re NICS

2) restrict me or you or whomever, to reduce what? that is a big words make me feel good nothing burger, , (see #1, and a lot of Pscyho's and Terrorist are lined up at the LGS to buy an AR, that'sarcasm btw)

3) look at history, gun control was started to restrict access to those minorities,



your arguments are getting fuddy again

[S.A. Boggs]

A few things,

1) armed political violence, aka terrorism, bothers the public in ways that one-off murders and suicides do not.

2) the point of targeted bans is not to get at the firearm death rate as a whole, but rather to reduce the peak firepower available to psychopaths and terrorists.

3) to the extent there is ever a minority culture that wants to be equipped to take up arms against the state, or the public, to further their interests, the majority would be remiss to not watch that carefully and take action if necessary.

In American history what was used to inflect the most damage?
Sam

[togor]

1) yep, but what do the bans or restrictions do to stop that,

hint, one such happened in Va long ago, psycho shot at the pentagon or some type installation in NOVA
guess what, he was not on the fed list for psycho's, but Va found some stuff on him ,

that is one of the reasons why we are a POC state, re NICS

2) restrict me or you or whomever, to reduce what? that is a big words make me feel good nothing burger, , (see #1, and a lot of Pscyho's and Terrorist are lined up at the LGS to buy an AR, that'sarcasm btw)

3) look at history, gun control was started to restrict access to those minorities,



your arguments are getting fuddy again

The points I made are there for all to see.

The reason for making them isn't advocacy, but rather an understanding of the landscape. So many are unwilling to conceive of a world beyond the tip of their own nose, and consequently it comes as a shock when things happen.

The Canadian, Australian and New Zealand governments for example were pretty up front that point 2) was on their mind. Aussies have a conservative government now yet they haven't gone back.

The US fought a civil war over point 3), and even now there are those who memorialize April 19.

[Vern Humphrey]

In American history what was used to inflect the most damage?
Sam

The Minnie Ball killed about 480,000 men in the Civil War. Throw in those killed in the Indian Mutiny (about the same time) and the Minnie Ball killed about 3 times as many people as the atomic bombs in WWII.

[RED]

So much for Vernon believing in the value of life.

There is such a thing as "value of life." So what is the value of a life? Is saving a single life worth ruining the lives of 10 healthy families, or maybe a hundred families, or a thousand?

There are 22 million people out of work and about 26,000 people have died. Is it worth it? Again we could save 40,000 lives every year if we would enforce a 5 MPH speed limit...

So do we kill a economy that supports 330,000,000 to save 1 million lives?