Norma McCorvey and the GQ Fabricatons

[Art]

A post was made by Togor about Norma McCorvey's supposed death bed admission of her scamming of the anti-abortion movement for money. I nearly responded but knew I would find a better written rebuttal by someone else, here it is, succinct and to the point.

In the interest of transparency the GQ article is linked in the below National Review rebuttal.

It is convenient to lump any conservative position on anything as "RACIST" while failing to note that a whole heck of a lot of black activists consider the abortion practices in the United States as a form of genocide due to the disproportionate number of abortion mills in minority communities and the extremelyu high numbers of black women compared to whites who procure abortions. Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood was, among other things, a racist. She gave lectures to the Ku Klux Klan and was a NAZI apologist. A bit of actual history you'll seldom here referred to.

Unfortunately this kind of fabrication is not uncommon on the left. I don't know whether you're dealing with lies or lazy writing born of self serving suppositions combined with an unwillingness to actually check things out, or the deliberate dissemination of propaganda based on the premise that people will believe a whopping big lie before a little white one. I suspect its self serving laziness.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/...isproven-lies/

[Vern Humphrey]

"Bassett’s baffling and ahistorical central claim is that pre-Reagan Republicans were pro-abortion because they were racists and post-Reagan Republicans were pro-life also because they were racists"

That's a typical liberal lateral arabesque.

[togor]

Not quite death bed, Art, but getting there.

Whatever her motivations, she did switch sides.

One can read into that as much or as little as they like.

I see multiple reasons for people opposing abortion. The Catholic hierarchy is probably most consistent, opposing abortion, execution, but also other forms of injustice in the world that diminish the value of human life. On the other end are those for whom it really is about female sexual agency, and the need for strict control over it. For such people the idea that women have individual rights under the Constitution, even in this personal area, is wrong, wrong, wrong. And then there are those who accept that death, suffering and tragedy are part of life, but who carve out a big exception where it comes to tiny babies for what might best be described as sentimental reasons.

Something else to keep in mind is that if a person favors abortion in the first trimester but not afterwards, they are labeled as practically wanting to toss breathing newborns into a dumpster. You either want to ban ALL abortions or you don't, is how the movement looks from the outside.

And what I've noticed here is that Vernon and others adamantly refuse to consider the possibility that the born, breathing, woman has any Constitutional rights at all. I can be against abortion but adamant in my opposition to someone who would deny the Constitution in this way, simply on the principle that the Constitutional grants of liberty should not be ignored. To not even admit to a tension in rights exists, I cannot fathom that except as religious fanaticism.

[Art]

Whatever her motivations, she did switch sides.

She switched sides at least twice. Norma McCorvey seems to have had a lifelong friendship with expediency, whether it was considering telling a lie that she had been raped by three black men because she thought that might get her an abortion, or lying to the anti aborts to get money out of them. If her late life statements, which I haven't really seen corroborated are true (and for the sake of argument we'll say they are) she was nothing but a common grifter. Not a person I'd hold up as an example of anything except bad behavior.

[togor]

She switched sides at least twice. Norma McCorvey seems to have had a lifelong friendship with expediency, whether it was considering telling a lie that she had been raped by three black men because she thought that might get her an abortion, or lying to the anti aborts to get money out of them. If her late life statements, which I haven't really seen corroborated are true (and for the sake of argument we'll say they are) she was nothing but a common grifter. Not a person I'd hold up as an example of anything except bad behavior.

Except that they did hold her up, and quite gladly. She was the Roe in Roe v. Wade. The biggest fish in the pond, the ultimate catch.

[Art]

Except that they did hold her up, and quite gladly. She was the Roe in Roe v. Wade. The biggest fish in the pond, the ultimate catch.

...of course they did. You are holding her up now as an un repentant pro abort. In either case people will hold her up quite happily to support whatever they want her to be a symbol of. The fact is the pro lifers were scammed by her which on her, not them. I don't get the point here, sorry.

[togor]

...of course they did. You are holding her up now as an un repentant pro abort. In either case people will hold her up quite happily to support whatever they want her to be a symbol of. The fact is the pro lifers were scammed by her which on her, not them. I don't get the point here, sorry.

Where do I hold her up as anything?

And I don't know that her relationship with them was one-sided. Each received something of value, willingly.

Are they on equal moral footing? That's the question that irritates, the suggestion that the movement's moral superiority does not stand up to close scrutiny.

[Art]

Where do I hold her up as anything?

And I don't know that her relationship with them was one-sided. Each received something of value, willingly.

Are they on equal moral footing? That's the question that irritates, the suggestion that the movement's moral superiority does not stand up to close scrutiny.

You see that's where we differ. McCorvey apparently received support from the anti aborts under false pretenses. She claimed to be something she wasn't. You don't like the anti abortion crowd, fine that doesn't make McCorvey defrauding them ok. The anti abortion people only acted unethically in this issue if they knew she hadn't actually changed her views.

[togor]

You see that's where we differ. McCorvey apparently received support from the anti aborts under false pretenses. She claimed to be something she wasn't. You don't like the anti abortion crowd, fine that doesn't make McCorvey defrauding them ok. The anti abortion people only acted unethically in this issue if they knew she hadn't actually changed her views.

How about we take the Trumpian transactional view, that so long as both sides are getting something they want out of the bargain, questions of individual morality can be left to God? As for the movement itself, so long as it refuses to acknowledge any Constitutional tension whatsoever between the rights of the born breathing mother and the unborn developing offspring, I cannot support it. Eliminating abortions at the cost of creating a huge dead zone for liberty is too high a price. I can oppose abortion AND conclude that the proffered cure is worse than the disease.

[Art]

This has obviously run its course, probably a couple of posts ago. Its gotten to the irresolvable point,

[togor]

This has obviously run its course, probably a couple of posts ago. Its gotten to the irresolvable point,

Well it was civil.

But also revealing, that even the smallest hint of rights to the mother threatens the unraveling of the movement. No clearer evidence could there be that it's about much more than babies.

[togor]

Added: Art I enjoy your posts, and whether or not I agree with your position, I respect the way you present your point of view.