Trump's losing in the polls.

**clintonhater** · 05-23-2020, 04:02

Four years of an unrelenting media hate-campaign are paying off.

**rayg** · 05-23-2020, 04:28

Yes..that also..But Trump is still his own enemy...At least in my opinion, he needs to act more presidential from now on, and quit the stupid name calling...He only gives the media more ammunition to use against him......

**shadycon** · 05-23-2020, 04:39

Typical modern politics, you got to love it! All the lying, bickering, name calling, arguing, mud slinging, hate, blame the other guy, etc.

**Art** · 05-23-2020, 05:28

The points in the OP are exactly the points made about Trump a week before the election of 2016. They are true and didn't matter last time, largely because the Democrats ran a terrible candidate. A mistake they seem determined to repeat.

**togor** · 05-23-2020, 06:03

Points well made by Art and Ray. Biden is not Hillary, however. He's certainly not running on the premise that it's "his turn". That aspect of Hillary put a ton of people off, who might otherwise have been inclined to vote for her on policy. Biden put the least effort into the primaries, yet secured the nomination.

**rayg** · 05-23-2020, 06:17

I'm still waiting to see who will be appointed by the Dem committee to take Biden's place if and when Biden voluntarily steps aside due to health reasons before the election..If he does as he needs to...because of the circumstances of his dementia...which will only worsen. There is no way he should be in any position to make decisions in running the country..

**Gun Smoke** · 05-23-2020, 07:08

The criticizing and name calling are what got Trump elected in the first place. He speaks for many Americans who were and are fed up with big government politics, no term limits, and Camelot type families like the Kennedy's and Clinton's that are like a rock in your shoe and won't go away.

That's who Trump is, people like it. He's everything a politician isn't.

Through his "name calling" he has exposed corruption in the FBI and most all of the Obama administration (surprise surprise).

The best I recall the exchange of new names started when Rubio commented about Trump having small hands (why?) and Trump returned fire by referring to him as "Little Rubio". Other names then followed and they are certainly more polite than what I would come up with for many of them.

Many of the anti-American comrades in office now have also made up nicknames for Trump---none have stuck though since he is doing such a remarkable job as president.

And yes you can plan on someone like Hillary being a running mate with the transparency that IF elected he will only serve a short while so she can get her claws into the presidency. It's the only way for her and everyone knows it.

And yes, also, these are the same type BS polls that were floating in 2016. As said many times before, as far as poll taking goes, intelligent people do NOT answer their phones and play these games.

**Fred** · 05-23-2020, 07:36

That is a University poll of 1200 or so people.
It’s not a representative poll of anything but that University

**Art** · 05-23-2020, 08:14

Originally posted by togor

Points well made by Art and Ray. Biden is not Hillary, however. He's certainly not running on the premise that it's "his turn". That aspect of Hillary put a ton of people off, who might otherwise have been inclined to vote for her on policy. Biden put the least effort into the primaries, yet secured the nomination.

Biden's the nominee because the party elders decreed it so. I listened to James Carville in a panicked statement in which he said that Sanders leads a "cult" and further stated the he "didn't join a cult" when he became a Democrat. He went on to say that if Sanders was nominated it would be the "end of days" and an unprecedented disaster for the Democrats. The (valid) calculation was that if Biden were to lose the election he wouldn't also lose the House and increase the Republican majority in the Senate as well as making virtual lock that the Republicans would ram through at least one more Supreme Court Justice.

**togor** · 05-23-2020, 10:00

Originally posted by Art

Biden's the nominee because the party elders decreed it so. I listened to James Carville in a panicked statement in which he said that Sanders leads a "cult" and further stated the he "didn't join a cult" when he became a Democrat. He went on to say that if Sanders was nominated it would be the "end of days" and an unprecedented disaster for the Democrats. The (valid) calculation was that if Biden were to lose the election he wouldn't also lose the House and increase the Republican majority in the Senate as well as making virtual lock that the Republicans would ram through at least one more Supreme Court Justice.

Party elders voted in the primaries?

He got the most votes in enough states.

AND

Behind the scenes, phone calls probably, he mended fences with the other candidates in ways that Hillary could not.

Whatever the party elders or media wanted, voters decided this. And, given a choice between a socialist, or someone explicitly not, those primary voters, especially blacks, chose not-socialism.

**S.A. Boggs** · 05-23-2020, 10:08

Biden is a typical Democrat, what you see in Biden is what they are unfortunately.
Sam

**Art** · 05-23-2020, 10:30

Originally posted by togor

Party elders voted in the primaries?

He got the most votes in enough states.

AND

Behind the scenes, phone calls probably, he mended fences with the other candidates in ways that Hillary could not.

Whatever the party elders or media wanted, voters decided this. And, given a choice between a socialist, or someone explicitly not, those primary voters, especially blacks, chose not-socialism.

Without Biden the nominee was going to be Sanders, not any of the other dozen or so Dems in the primaries.. The Party power brokers got Biden to run and got the local pols in line behind him. It is true that once he won South Carolina the flood gates opened. If Biden hadn't been induced to run the nominee was going to be Sanders. The fact is Biden still does not have enough delegates for the nomination even though he's going to get it. Its telling that Sanders has suspended his campaign but has not released his delegates.

Primaries are interesting. McCain and Romney won the nomination for the Repubs with delegates from states they weren't going to win in the election. Does it really matter who wins the Republican primary in California?? States like South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama etc. will give Biden a lot of his delegate haul. He has as little chance of winning those states as Romney did of winning New York or California.

**togor** · 05-23-2020, 10:33

You think Bernie is going to be the man then, Art?

I had read that Bernie wants a roll call for his people, before they jump on the bandwagon.

With Covid-19 no clue what the convention even looks like.

**Art** · 05-23-2020, 10:43

Originally posted by togor

You think Bernie is going to be the man then, Art?

I had read that Bernie wants a roll call for his people, before they jump on the bandwagon.

With Covid-19 no clue what the convention even looks like.

Bernie won't be the nominee but he has considerable clout because, like Trump, his supporters are intensely loyal. He's already been able to move the party as a whole toward his positions. Sanders won't be the nominee but if Biden is he's going to have to win the "Bernie Bros" over to have a chance in the general election. One of the factors in Trump's win the last time was the number of Sanders supporters who either sat it out or voted Trump out of spite.

I'm waiting to see Sander's speech at the convention. Will it be something like Ted Cruz's very lukewarm speech last time, could it be simply a recitation of socialist/communist doctrine, or will it be a full throated endorsement of Biden. Nobody knows except Sanders and I bet he doesn't know yet. Some of that will probably depend on what concessions are made to him in the platform. One of the worst things that could happen to Biden will be running on a largely Sanders platform.

Trump's losing in the polls.

Trump's losing in the polls.

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