Interesting article about the notion of systemic police racism

[rayg]

This is a very interesting article with some good statistics.

The notion of systemic police racism is something that many on the left accept unquestioningly as an article of faith. But statistics don’t necessarily support their claim.

We find no evidence of anti-Black or anti-Hispanic disparities across shootings, and White officers are not more likely to shoot minority civilians than non-White officers. Instead, race-specific crime strongly predicts civilian race. This suggests that increasing diversity among officers by itself is unlikely to reduce racial disparity in police shootings.”

https://www.breitbart.com/social-jus...cklivesmatter/

[S.A. Boggs]

Ray the truth doesn't matter only the means to gain political power regardless of the cost. It is all about keeping black people on the Democratic plantation. Buying the vote with just enough to keep the black person in a perpetual state of servant hood. Give me your vote and I will keep you in public housing for free.
Sam

[Vern Humphrey]

Our local liberals are a perfect model -- their imagination trumps truth. They believe it, so it's the gospel!

[togor]

A couple things.

From the article:

The paper did find racial disparities when it came to non-lethal police interactions, including pushing and putting hands on an individual.

So the Harvard study is not the exoneration that some might like to imagine. Also....Harvard studies? Since when??????

Second, which is more American? To be suspicious as a people of police power and be prepared to protest it, or to submit meekly to it? As individuals we have little choice in the matter. But as a people, a free people, it becomes a civic duty to bear witness to police excesses. Non-violence is essential. Police violence upon the public cannot be met with violence in return. I guess this stuff comes easy to me, having been raised by deeply anti-Nazi, anti-Communist parents. Not everyone was so blessed.

[rayg]

A further quote from the findings.

"A Harvard University study in 2016 poured through more than 1,000 shootings in ten police departments in California, Florida, and Texas. “On the most extreme use of force – officer-involved shootings – we are unable to detect any racial differences in either the raw data or when accounting for controls,” researchers concluded".

And it does say that the paper did find racial disparities when it came to non-lethal police interactions, including pushing and putting hands on an individual.

But it did not expound on what the percent of such incidents were as opposed to non racial interactions.....nor the reasons for it...

[Roadkingtrax]

Our local liberals are a perfect model -- their imagination trumps truth. They believe it, so it's the gospel!

Arkansas sounds terrible if your local liberals are like that.

[togor]

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement

Four year old story about a Bush era FBI report. One expects the usual suspects here will seek to diminish the possibilities or dangers described therein.

[togor]

The article also doesn't discuss deaths in police custody (not by shooting). As a reminder, George Floyd wasn't shot. And while there is a celebration of "gangsta" culture, there is also a wish for stricter gun laws, to get these guns off the street. It's worth noting that conservatives criticize both.

[lyman]

The article also doesn't discuss deaths in police custody (not by shooting). As a reminder, George Floyd wasn't shot. And while there is a celebration of "gangsta" culture, there is also a wish for stricter gun laws, to get these guns off the street. It's worth noting that conservatives criticize both.

interesting article, seems Comey would have started a policy or program to track that which he said he cannot, and ditto 10 yrs previous

another example of sorry politicians,

also remember the guy in Bmore that was tossed in the van and broke his neck, not shot, but police,

and you are back on the gun control kick I see, how about a culture change that takes care of the thug culture and addresses responsibility,?

[Vern Humphrey]

and you are back on the gun control kick I see, how about a culture change that takes care of the thug culture and addresses responsibility,?

Sixty-eight percent of murders occur in just FIVE per cent of the counties.

onenewsnow.com/culture/2017/04/30/68-of-us-murders-occur-in-5-of-its-counties

Fifty-four percent of US counties have NO murders.

Clearly, the problem is the CULTURE in those five percent -- and "gun control" won't change the culture.

[togor]

Not back on the gun control kick. People here are quoting messages out of the black community. So be even handed about it. And honest. Yes they would like gun control that works but they can't get get it. If you feel like arguing, take it up with them. They know damn well they have an oversupply of punks who can't be trusted to handle firearms responsibly. They don't need anyone telling them that. They're also only too familiar with endless cycles of violence.

[lyman]

Not back on the gun control kick. People here are quoting messages out of the black community. So be even handed about it. And honest. Yes they would like gun control that works but they can't get get it. If you feel like arguing, take it up with them. They know damn well they have an oversupply of punks who can't be trusted to handle firearms responsibly. They don't need anyone telling them that. They're also only too familiar with endless cycles of violence.

then they should do something about it, and gun control is not the answer, it is a lot closer to home than that

[Vern Humphrey]

then they should do something about it, and gun control is not the answer, it is a lot closer to home than that

There is no such thing as "gun control that works." If you want to reduce the homicide rate, go into those 5% of counties and fix their problems.

[dryheat]

-If you want to reduce the homicide rate, go into those 5% of counties and fix their problems. -

Screw them. You can't fix stupid. Keep an eye on them. If they get out of line pounce on them. Of course there will be the occasional death or accidental death. Goes with the territory. And 50M bleeding hearts can march about it. And 10K can loot the opportunity.

[togor]

Ray here's an article comparing survey results for police versus the public at large, re: racial attitudes and policing.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-the-police-see-issues-of-race-and-policing/