BLM

[togor]

nope, just you being you,


Vern gets it,

have a nice night,

Funny how it goes from me being evasive to there being no question to evade. I would call that a slick move, or a greasy one.

A pleasant evening to you as well. And stay safe.

[lyman]

Funny how it goes from me being evasive to there being no question to evade. I would call that a slick move, or a greasy one.

A pleasant evening to you as well. And stay safe.

you would,

anyone else would answer,


but it does not fit your narrative,

as you claim of others, esp me, read the post, actually read them,

[togor]

You should read my posts. I asked you repeatedly to restate the question since it got lost in the shuffle. If a customer or spouse does that, do you claim victory or honor the request? The fact that you won't restate the question means you're less interested in my answer than in claiming I won't answer it. In other words, trolling.

[lyman]

claiming the victim again,


poor poor you

[togor]

claiming the victim again,


poor poor you

Pointing out I don't know what the question is. This is as much as your troll will get you today.

You know,

you could take a breath, go back,

figure out what BLM question you want to ask me,

then ask it.

Or just keep doing this.

[lyman]

I think it has been 3 separate threads,, that the same question was posed,

you ignored them all,


as expected,


I'm not the troll, but I am pointing one out,

[Roadkingtrax]

who is in charge and what is there political affiliation??


So far, they are not organized. I would say they dont ascribe to a party affiliation. Both Democrat and Republican are masters of small and large business, both bent on keeping their hold on regulations, wages, benefits, and education. BLM and similar movements, are a direct result of a systematic disenfranchisement of the average citizen. It's a theory at least.

[dogtag]

Silly old me thought BLM was Bureau of Land Management.
I used to go shoot my old Spanish Rolly there.

[Roadkingtrax]

Brits Love Muslims

[lyman]

who is in charge and what is there political affiliation??


So far, they are not organized. I would say they dont ascribe to a party affiliation. Both Democrat and Republican are masters of small and large business, both bent on keeping their hold on regulations, wages, benefits, and education. BLM and similar movements, are a direct result of a systematic disenfranchisement of the average citizen. It's a theory at least.

reread the questions,

not BLM,,,,,


as vern pointed out, ,the money goes mostly if not all to the DNC,

in those towns that are torn up, included my own home town,

who is in charge?

BLM?,, hardly,


always follow the money, then look to see who is in charge,

togor loves to blame Trump for everything, yet, with 3 minutes of time spent looking, you will see that the folks BLM is basically fundraising for are the same folks that are in charge of the areas, and people, that are being blamed,, (hint, all have a political D beside their name,


as in ,

how many republicans or independents are in charge in MN?

what is the affiliation (politically ) of the town folks in charge, the senators, congresspeople, state office holders etc etc,


make sense now?


so if we follow togor's lead, and blame the president for it all,

and all the issues are currently under D control


what good would biden do if he was elected? he has already proven he is part of this problem,,,,,

[Vern Humphrey]

Silly old me thought BLM was Bureau of Land Management.
I used to go shoot my old Spanish Rolly there.

It stands for BoweL Movement.

[Roadkingtrax]

Republicans would love to have the BLM on their side. Sour grapes I guess.

[togor]

Okay so maybe I know what the question is now?

The protests are in the cities, and the cities are typically run by Democrats, therefore, Democrats are responsible, politically, for the conditions that are being protested, yes?

If so,

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause

Correlation and cause are different things.

Let's take an easy one. Police reform in Minnesota. There is a state law that mandates an arbitration process that makes it very tough to cut loose the cops who shouldn't be on the job. After the protests, a special session was called, and the GOP controlled MN Senate foot dragged on the reforms that are along the lines of what protestors want. City hands tied by state law and state level politics.

In Atlanta, the cops do not have a high opinion of the mayor, who is putting pressure on them as a result of political pressure she feels from the voters.

GOP state legislatures are known to pass pre-emption laws that tie the hands of local municipalities.

Sometimes the political situation is muddled. In NYS, for a long time activists wanted law 50A repealed. That law blocks release of LEO records, making it difficult to ID the police with problems in their record. D and R politicians both blocked repeal. Then when the SHTF after Floyd, suddenly it happened and 50A is history.

To summarize it's convenient to blame local officials because they're there, but not always accurate. A lot of police chiefs have hung it up recently. Many have the label of "reformers" but when push came to shove their forces did stuff which cost the chief a job.

[lyman]

Okay so maybe I know what the question is now?

The protests are in the cities, and the cities are typically run by Democrats, therefore, Democrats are responsible, politically, for the conditions that are being protested, yes?

If so,

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause

Correlation and cause are different things.

Let's take an easy one. Police reform in Minnesota. There is a state law that mandates an arbitration process that makes it very tough to cut loose the cops who shouldn't be on the job. After the protests, a special session was called, and the GOP controlled MN Senate foot dragged on the reforms that are along the lines of what protestors want. City hands tied by state law and state level politics.

In Atlanta, the cops do not have a high opinion of the mayor, who is putting pressure on them as a result of political pressure she feels from the voters.

GOP state legislatures are known to pass pre-emption laws that tie the hands of local municipalities.

Sometimes the political situation is muddled. In NYS, for a long time activists wanted law 50A repealed. That law blocks release of LEO records, making it difficult to ID the police with problems in their record. D and R politicians both blocked repeal. Then when the SHTF after Floyd, suddenly it happened and 50A is history.

To summarize it's convenient to blame local officials because they're there, but not always accurate. A lot of police chiefs have hung it up recently. Many have the label of "reformers" but when push came to shove their forces did stuff which cost the chief a job.

you just blamed local officials, so guessing that is accurate,

my point is, if you still believe in State Rights, and I am not so sure you do,, then the states need to clean up their own houses,

or at least try,


the rest of the crying is just wasted air,


BTW,, wondering if the state law on Arbitration is a union thing,, since that is usually in a contract,

do the protesters demand seem valid, or are they pushing for stuff that will only harm the general population?

[togor]

I'll spare you a long repost on the subject.

We have a Federal system. Some jobs are big enough such that a Federal response is needed. Some jobs best tackled at the state level. Some locally. It has worked out pretty well, overall.

If a job is being tackled at the wrong level, the results might not be so great.

Covid-19 is hardly a triumph of states rights. An expression of states rights, sure. A triumph? Hardly.