There aren't that many words in the 2nd amendment ...

[dogtag]

and as far as I'm aware there's no mention of those 'arms'
having to be "legally registered"
Yet I notice that in defending the actions of the couple who
guarded their property with an AR and a mouse pistol, even
Judge Janine used the excuse that their weapons were legally
registered. Now, I have several firearms that I bought before
the bureaucrats got into the act, so presumably no one, including
me, can exercise their right to self preservation unless the have a
'legally registered' firearm. That implies that any firearm not duly
registered with the government is illegal.
How easily we bow to the liberal rules.

[Major Tom]

I remember back in the early 60's, I bought some German WW2 rifles and a Ruger 357 plus a couple 22 rimfire rifles that didn't even have a serial number. None of them had to be registered. Still have them so I guess they are now illegal?

[lyman]

I remember back in the early 60's, I bought some German WW2 rifles and a Ruger 357 plus a couple 22 rimfire rifles that didn't even have a serial number. None of them had to be registered. Still have them so I guess they are now illegal?

lots of folks think the 4473 is registration,

it is not,


it is simply a form you fill out to pass a test,

answer it correctly and all it does is make you eligible to purchase on that day,

those started in 1968, revised many times over the years and supplemented with a NICS check now

but still not registered,

[barretcreek]

So Lyman,

You have an FFL and a storefront business I assume? Are the computerized 4473 capable of being accessed by ATFE or transferred by the license holder or by the software vendor?

That's a keystroke away.

[lyman]

So Lyman,

You have an FFL and a storefront business I assume? Are the computerized 4473 capable of being accessed by ATFE or transferred by the license holder or by the software vendor?

That's a keystroke away.

I use Paper 4473's,.
and SP-65's (state form for the background check) that is done on paper, but submitted electronically,

I have looked over the electronic version, but I don't know the specifics,


the State encourages electronic storage, and the requirement is to keep the form 2 years (SP-65) but they do not need access, you just need to be able to pull it if needed,



no data on the firearm, other than type is transmitted to the state, just like nics


I know of one other local shop that uses the E4473, but I think they just print and store after the customer does his/her bit,

[dogtag]

Don't be fooled. Once you commit your info to either paper or computer
you're on record and there you stay.
If you believe otherwise, I've got this nice bridge I don't need ...

[lyman]

Don't be fooled. Once you commit your info to either paper or computer
you're on record and there you stay.
If you believe otherwise, I've got this nice bridge I don't need ...

the 4473 goes in a box, where it it kept for 20 years, or you sell or close your license,

only time it comes out is for a trace, unless you get caught doing something stupid,


so yes, you are always on record, for buying a gun on that day, and you passed the background check

[Sandpebble]

the 4473 goes in a box, where it it kept for 20 years, or you sell or close your license,

only time it comes out is for a trace, unless you get caught doing something stupid,


so yes, you are always on record, for buying a gun on that day, and you passed the background check

I don't have a problem with that... why does any one else ?

[lyman]

I don't have a problem with that... why does any one else ?

misconception that the firearm is registered to them,

all the paperwork means is that you are eligible to buy a firearm on that day,


and that you did,