Accepting election results

[SUPERX-M1]

Both parties having trouble with this. Repub seemed very unhappy w obama and did try to obstruct his policies,but, to me, did not seem to have the ferocity that Dems display. Dems seem Never Trump, full of rage.

May be trouble post election.

Also, the idea that a 51 % win lets that party tell the other party to FOAD does not go over well.Have never understood why so many election results on so many issues are so often evenly split. And then the victors tell the 49% losers how it is going to go down.

Do the Dems expect gun owners to roll over and accept harsh controls and buy backs? Will Repubs roll over? That seems to be the case in CA, Mass, NJ, NY....

[togor]

Sentiments of this board notwithstanding, there are some gun measures that enjoy popular support, such as mandatory background checks and required reporting of lost/stolen firearms. If they win and stick to those, then it could be said they're not overreaching politically.

[SUPERX-M1]

How do civil wars happen

Don't skip over Red's thread dated 8 15 20 . It is on this page.

[togor]

Don't skip over Red's thread dated 8 15 20 . It is on this page.

That piece in RED's thread is what shrinks call "projection", casting one's own motives and worldview onto counterparties.

The thesis is.... Democrats won't accept the results of an election, with 2016 somehow the proof. But they did accept 2016, and they did accept 2000. Trump for his part is the one who didn't accept the fact that he didn't win the popular vote in 2016.

If anything, the piece is part of a cynical campaign to condition the base to support Trump's scorched-earth, win-at-all-costs approach to the election and it's aftermath.

Here is a serious question for you, or anyone here--

Is there such a thing in your mind as Trump taking things too far in his attempt to engineer a victory?. For example, would deliberately f*cking up the USPS be taking things beyond an acceptable line?

My experience with the base is that they love Trump's habit of going all the way to win, even if they don't like being reminded that by taking things so far, Trump breaks norm after norm, if not law after law.

[bruce]

I believe it was Sherman who said, "War is Hell." Loosing a war is the pit of Hell. Given what is at stake during this coming election cycle, only a fool would pretend that the demokrats are not engaged in a full out war for control of this nation. To mince words, pull punches, fail to use every means available to win in November is unconscionable. The consequences for our nation would be disastrous. Sincerely. bruce.

[togor]

I believe it was Sherman who said, "War is Hell." Loosing a war is the pit of Hell. Given what is at stake during this coming election cycle, only a fool would pretend that the demokrats are not engaged in a full out war for control of this nation. To mince words, pull punches, fail to use every means available to win in November is unconscionable. The consequences for our nation would be disastrous. Sincerely. bruce.

Even trashing the USPS? Political assassination? Roger Stone style dirty tricks? Robo-calls to tell people that they can't vote if they have unpaid traffic or parking tickets? Democrats would renounce all of these things. Would you?

[SUPERX-M1]

Trump truly is deplorable. His actions usually indefensible. I consider him to be a malignant narcissist sociopath. I regret that I voted for him in 16 and will again in 20. The Democratic alternative is a far worse choice.

Neither the Democrats nor Republicans advance the general public or the country . My current view(unpopular, it seems) is for the Nordic version of progressive socialism with Capitalism at the forefront, often called Progressive Democratic Socialism. Capitalism has no mercy or consideration for the populace. Capitalism plus socialism seems to be the workable solution. Until then, I vote Republican because there is no other decent choice.

I do not like 51 % election winners, or gun control, poor wages for the poor and less elite, wealthy executives, unaffordable education with college as a requisite for seemingly every job. I don't like communism, fascism, pure socialism, or you, if you don't agree with me (joke).

[rayg]

Trump truly is deplorable. His actions usually indefensible.
I regret that I voted for him in 16 and will again in 20. The Democratic alternative is a far worse choice.

The Democratic alternative is a far worse choice... YES..it is...

[togor]

The Democratic alternative is a far worse choice... YES..it is...

Why?

[togor]

Trump truly is deplorable. His actions usually indefensible. I consider him to be a malignant narcissist sociopath. I regret that I voted for him in 16 and will again in 20. The Democratic alternative is a far worse choice.

Neither the Democrats nor Republicans advance the general public or the country . My current view(unpopular, it seems) is for the Nordic version of progressive socialism with Capitalism at the forefront, often called Progressive Democratic Socialism. Capitalism has no mercy or consideration for the populace. Capitalism plus socialism seems to be the workable solution. Until then, I vote Republican because there is no other decent choice.

I do not like 51 % election winners, or gun control, poor wages for the poor and less elite, wealthy executives, unaffordable education with college as a requisite for seemingly every job. I don't like communism, fascism, pure socialism, or you, if you don't agree with me (joke).

This sounds like an issues-oriented approach, admirable, and yet there's no logical trail, how you reach your conclusion, from your starting point. On health care for example, Trump has shown a single-minded determination to destroy Obamacare, to throw the health insurance system in this country into even greater chaos, through court decision, with no real alternative. (You're clearly smart enough to not take the cheese when he claims that he can come up with something better "in a couple of weeks, with executive orders".) Anyhow not dinging you, but asking if it is possible to put words to how you reached the conclusion that a vote for Trump, with regrets, is superior to the alternative, which includes not voting.

My own view is that all of that incompetence ultimately adds up to something bad, and I think we're seeing it with the pandemic. The longer it goes on, the worse the problems in the country are going to get. Trump seems more interested in exploiting those problems for personal political gain than in doing anything about them. Conservatives don't like to call themselves Progressives, but even Conservatives expect government to deliver on some basic services.

[bruce]

Even trashing the USPS? Political assassination? Roger Stone style dirty tricks? Robo-calls to tell people that they can't vote if they have unpaid traffic or parking tickets? Democrats would renounce all of these things. Would you?

War is ... Hell. When it comes to trashing, dirty tricks, misinformation, etc., the demokrats are equal opportunity offenders. Sen. Stephens, Dan Rather's invented hit piece against Bush, the entire orchestrated effort to impeach Trump, not to even consider the routine use of courts as a work around to the legislative process to advance a left-wing liberal political/social agenda aided and abetted by the sympathetic and overtly biased msm ... taken together all are reason enough for the Republicans and Conservatives to hold their collective noses and use whatever means are necessary to save this nation from those who will otherwise destroy it. Apologies if warranted can be offered later. At present, the left-wing lauded call for "civility" is a luxury that cannot be afforded. The left has repeatedly proven it cannot be trusted to follow the so called principles they claim to espouse ... civility, tolerance, fairness, etc., etc., etc. This was glaringly demonstrated by the kangaroo court proceedings which they used and abused in order to try and destroy President Trump. Is all of this regrettable? Of course it is. Is it lamentable? Yes. Of course. Is there anything about this current political reality for which to be thankful? No. Nothing. But, we do not get to choose the reality we would prefer. We must deal with the reality that confronts us. Sherman spoke the truth when he said, "War is Hell." Welcome to Hell. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.

[togor]

War is ... Hell. When it comes to trashing, dirty tricks, misinformation, etc., the demokrats are equal opportunity offenders. Sen. Stephens, Dan Rather's invented hit piece against Bush, the entire orchestrated effort to impeach Trump, not to even consider the routine use of courts as a work around to the legislative process to advance a left-wing liberal political/social agenda aided and abetted by the sympathetic and overtly biased msm ... taken together all are reason enough for the Republicans and Conservatives to hold their collective noses and use whatever means are necessary to save this nation from those who will otherwise destroy it. Apologies if warranted can be offered later. At present, the left-wing lauded call for "civility" is a luxury that cannot be afforded. The left has repeatedly proven it cannot be trusted to follow the so called principles they claim to espouse ... civility, tolerance, fairness, etc., etc., etc. This was glaringly demonstrated by the kangaroo court proceedings which they used and abused in order to try and destroy President Trump. Is all of this regrettable? Of course it is. Is it lamentable? Yes. Of course. Is there anything about this current political reality for which to be thankful? No. Nothing. But, we do not get to choose the reality we would prefer. We must deal with the reality that confronts us. Sherman spoke the truth when he said, "War is Hell." Welcome to Hell. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.

Wow.

Well you do come from Georgia, the state that runs the most dishonest elections in the country.

Pelosi had to impeach Trump once it became clear he was prepared to use the full powers of his office to try to f*ck up the Democratic candidates. True, yes? Whether the Senate convicted him or not, she had to show Trump and his henchmen that they would have to sweat if they tried that again (and so far they haven't). You cheer Trump's uncountable insults to civility, his raw style of power politics, yet express hand-wringing lament when power politics comes back to his door?

So your mindset seems to be "payback for the Civil War", so anything goes. Which is another way of saying that in your philosophy, the past buries the future.

The thing is, by declaring yourself a bitter-ender, you put the rest of us in a difficult position. To liberate the Axis countries, it was necessary for Allied forces to do some pretty heavy-duty damage.