There's no Such Thing as a Pro-Gun Democrat

[Vern Humphrey]

For some reason, Democrats are committed to Victim Disarmament.

They invented gun control, you know -- for the protection of the Ku Klux Klan (and yes, I can document that). After all, if you're going to horsewhip and hang people, you don't want them to have guns!!

[togor]

Johnny P, the point is, you can't buy a gun today in a hardware store as easily as a garden hose accessory. But once upon a time, you could.

Would you want to go back to the old way or are you fine with the rules as they are now? That matters because an 80% receiver or frame is like going back to the old ways.

Sorry to blow your mind but there it is.

[barretcreek]

It bothers the hell out me the 'Rats won't extend the the same requirements to voting as to purchasing a gun.

[RED]

Think about this... 36,750 Americans were killed in car crashes last year. In 2017, 39,773 people were killed with guns 23,864 of those were suicides and 15,909 were committed by criminals acting violently.

To legally buy a gun in the U.S., I have to have a positive form of ID, A back ground check, and a waiting period in some instances.

To legally buy a automobile... Although, I have a record of 3 DWI's, spent jail time for manslaughter with a vehicle, and have a permanent ban on having a DL, all I need to do to legally buy a car is to hand some cash or a valid credit card to the car dealer. I don't have to have a DL, any form of ID, and there is no check on anything. I can't legally drive the vehicle away from the car lot, but I can buy it. The dealer would not be liable because he had no knowledge of my past and is not required to do so.

Some how it seems backwards to me.

[Vern Humphrey]

It bothers the hell out me the 'Rats won't extend the the same requirements to voting as to purchasing a gun.

Purchasing a gun won't help a Democrat get elected -- and besides, dead people rarely purchase guns.

[togor]

It bothers the hell out me the 'Rats won't extend the the same requirements to voting as to purchasing a gun.

I like the fact that someone else has picked up on the connection between voting and gun ownership.

But do survey the landscape before launching your arguments!

For example, conservatives want voter databases, so they can purge them periodically! Imagine a similar situation for gun buying, for example. Haven't made a purchase in awhile? You're out of the registry, have to reapply. For some, even the notion of a gun owners database as public information blows their mind!

But we understand why some people draw a distinction between the two. A trigger pull in Little Rock, legal or illegal, doesn't really affect the Ozarks. But a vote cast in Little Rock can. So let them blow each other's brains out in Little Rock for all we care, or Chicago, or New York, or Los Angeles, just so long as they don't affect the outcome of elections. That's it right there in a nutshell.

[Art]

Where in the United States can someone walk into a hardware store and buy a gun as easy as a garden sprinkler?

The Democrats are totally anti-gun, have been for some time now, and are proudly promote it.

From 2020 Democrat Party Platform:

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12 Democrats will enact universal background checks, end online sales of guns and ammunition,
13 close dangerous loopholes that currently allow stalkers and some individuals convicted of assault
14 or battery to buy and possess firearms, and adequately fund the federal background check
15 system. We will close the “Charleston loophole” and prevent individuals who have been
16 convicted of hate crimes from possessing firearms. Democrats will ban the manufacture and sale
17 of assault weapons and high capacity magazines. We will incentivize states to enact licensing
18 requirements for owning firearms and “red flag” laws that allow courts to temporarily remove
19 guns from the possession of those who are a danger to themselves or others. We will pass
20 legislation requiring that guns be safely stored in homes. And Democrats believe that gun
21 companies should be held responsible for their products, just like any other business, and will
22 prioritize repealing the law that shields gun manufacturers from civil liability.

They want all gun owners to be licensed, but nothing said about criminals stealing guns.

Taking just a few of these.

1. Ending online sale of guns and ammunition. Sale of ammunition is self explanatory. Sale of guns can be taken to mean that you will no longer be able to order a gun directly from a wholesaler and have it delivered to an FFL where you will be able to fill out the paperwork.

2. "Individuals convicted of assault...." Assault covers a lot of territory. Any conduct that might cause a person to feel "threatened" whether it was the intent of the actor or not, can be assault depending on the state. Currently the only misdemeanor that can result in revocation of the right to own a firearm is domestic violence (Lautenberg Amendment) but this will open up a large number of additional misdemeanor violations that could result in the loss of gun rights.

3. Red Flag Laws: These sound just swell elegant, who could disagree with temporarily taking guns away from a person who might blow his brains out, right? Well, better be on good terms with your exes and neighbors because any off hand comment could be used to take your guns and the confiscation might not be "temporary." Sen. Feinstein once said all combat veterans should be considered dangerous by definition and she wasn't kidding. A really scary example (though not technically a Red Flag Law) is analysed in the link below. It's a video but I've checked it out in articles and it is accurate.

4. The Lawful Firearms Commerce Act was passed to prevent firearms and ammunition companies from being sued out of existence by a cascade of suits. This was going to be an expressed tactic of the anti gunners. If no guns are manufactured no one can buy a gun, correct???

Here's the link, it may take a couple of tries to get this one right. I have read corroborating articles regarding Coleman vs. Folsome but maybe listening to a guy talk will be better than reading the stuff. This case is currently on appeal. I suspect Mr. Coleman is fortunate to have the money to pursue this case through the courts. I also suspect that he may have spent more money than his guns are worth in his attempt to recover his property. Of course the point of the City of Folsoms action is to exhaust his resources or his patience. Togor is a big opponent of arrogant bureaucrats, well there is no better example than this here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50IOFNVYov8

Togor concedes, implicitly, in his posts on this thread, that the Democrats are the anti gun party. By the way, If you live in a Red Flag Law state be careful of what you say anywhere, including on this site. Don't want Togor or one of his buddies to denounce you to the authorities because you're crazy....right? I'm not kidding either.

Also. I said the Dems are the anti gun party. They are the anti gun party. Both Joe Biden and his "Gun Czar" Robert Francis O'Rourke have stated unequivocally that the end game is to confiscate your AR15 and your AK47. A lot more "bad guns" will be added to the list if they get in power. They are explicit and unequivocal about that. That is the end game.

[Vern Humphrey]

Also. I said the Dems are the anti gun party. They are the anti gun party. Both Joe Biden and his "Gun Czar" Robert Francis O'Rourke have stated unequivocally that the end game is to confiscate your AR15 and your AK47. A lot more "bad guns" will be added to the list if they get in power. They are explicit and unequivocal about that. That is the end game.

Wait a minute! I thought AR15s and AK47s were safe. It's AR14s that Banana Joe wants to ban.

[jdmcgrath]

Making fun of Biden's stuttering shows a lot of class.

[Vern Humphrey]

How is pointing out that he said he wanted to ban AR14s making fun of his stuttering?

[Gun Smoke]

How is pointing out that he said he wanted to ban AR14s making fun of his stuttering?

Back when brain dead joe was VP during one of the many "pushes" by the democrats to ban AR15's and 14's he said "just buy a shotgun". So I added an additional shotgun to my little stash. Thanks for the encouragement joe.

[Vern Humphrey]

Back when brain dead joe was VP during one of the many "pushes" by the democrats to ban AR15's and 14's he said "just buy a shotgun". So I added an additional shotgun to my little stash. Thanks for the encouragement joe.

Believe me, he's encouraging everyone to buy more guns and ammo.

[togor]

Back when brain dead joe was VP during one of the many "pushes" by the democrats to ban AR15's and 14's he said "just buy a shotgun". So I added an additional shotgun to my little stash. Thanks for the encouragement joe.

I saw that clip. Some guy got in his face and he spoke up. Munging AR15 with M14 is the sort of thing people sometimes do. But putting one word in for another is the sort of thing that happens when people stutter. It isn't all just hammering a stuck syllable. I've seen Vernon flub his terms in posts, and that's with access to editing.

Now on to Biden and guns. Unlike Trump I doubt he just chooses to ban something and tells the DOJ to rewrite laws. I do believe that if guns somehow started hurting the bottom line of the hotel industry, Trump would be banning them in a New York Minute.

There are pro-gun Democrats, even in Texas, but they're not gun fetishists like some on the right. So I could see expanded background checks, maybe a reclassification of 80% receivers as firearms, which the industry will welcome, IMO. Much more than that and they're squeezing their rank and file in Red leaning districts.

It's a risk but My God in Trump you have a candidate with no principles whatsoever, so I don't know that in practical terms it's that much more of a risk.

[Johnny P]

"Johnny P, the point is, you can't buy a gun today in a hardware store as easily as a garden hose accessory. But once upon a time, you could."

There was much less crime when you could walk into any place that sold firearms and purchase one without a background check. If you reduce crime statistics down to how easy or hard it is to purchase a firearm, the harder it is to purchase a firearm the higher the crime rate., verified by statistics.

Or, what is the anti-gunner's take on rising crime statistics?

[Vern Humphrey]

"Johnny P, the point is, you can't buy a gun today in a hardware store as easily as a garden hose accessory. But once upon a time, you could."

There was much less crime when you could walk into any place that sold firearms and purchase one without a background check. If you reduce crime statistics down to how easy or hard it is to purchase a firearm, the harder it is to purchase a firearm the higher the crime rate., verified by statistics.

Or, what is the anti-gunner's take on rising crime statistics?

"We need more gun control!"