There's no Such Thing as a Pro-Gun Democrat

[Roadkingtrax]

"We need more gun control!"

Actually the President favors skipping due process laws for legal gun owners.

How quick you forget he's just as much a Democrat as Joe.

[togor]

"Johnny P, the point is, you can't buy a gun today in a hardware store as easily as a garden hose accessory. But once upon a time, you could."

There was much less crime when you could walk into any place that sold firearms and purchase one without a background check. If you reduce crime statistics down to how easy or hard it is to purchase a firearm, the harder it is to purchase a firearm the higher the crime rate., verified by statistics.

Or, what is the anti-gunner's take on rising crime statistics?

You'll have to find an anti-gunner to ask her about rising crime stats, but she might look at you and say..."what's your point"?

My point, which everyone keeps silently gliding past, is that 80% receivers are a loophole in the law that can't be ignored forever. Either put them on the same footing as factory guns, or factory guns on the same footing as them. Pick your poison guys.

[Vern Humphrey]

You know, we should change the title of this thread -- "There is no such thing as a pro-freedom Democrat.

[Gun Smoke]

You know, we should change the title of this thread -- "There is no such thing as a pro-freedom Democrat.

There's no such thing as an American democrat.

[Vern Humphrey]

There's no such thing as an American democrat.

But there are plenty of Anti-American Democrats.

[Roadkingtrax]

But there are plenty of Anti-American Democrats.

That's probably not going viral.

[M1Tommy]

I will not vote straight party-lines, but I will not vote for anyone with the "D" beside their name. No matter what they say they believe, how many 'good ole'boy' photos they pose and posture for, they will vote the "D" party line when told to do so.

Re "80% receivers". Exactly what constitutes "80%"? Is it the number of milling machine passes, number of tool revolutions, number of passes with a hand file, compared to ... what, a milled receiver, forges receiver, stamped receiver? If 'regulated (good luck wording this now)', oh my there will be the dreaded "79% loophole"! Regulate all tooling, all power tools, all bench vices, where to stop?

I now wonder what will appease those who seem incensed by the "80% receivers"?
Tommy

[Gun Smoke]

Someone with the skills and tooling to mill and temper/harden an 80% receiver into a firearm could do the same with a 0% receiver (a block of metal or a piece of plate steel).

Criminals will simply buy or steal what they want. They have no reason to go to this trouble to make a gun. Also, guns aren't even needed in many crimes.

[blackhawknj]

The Democrats are assuming they are going to win big in November. If they don't, they will go back to letting candidates tailor their message to their districts.

[Johnny P]

"My point, which everyone keeps silently gliding past, is that 80% receivers are a loophole in the law that can't be ignored forever. Either put them on the same footing as factory guns, or factory guns on the same footing as them. Pick your poison guys."

Your chances of being the victim of a crime using an 80% gun ranks right up there with being hit by a meteorite. Best worry about about the stolen gun, which requires no background check.

[togor]

Someone with the skills and tooling to mill and temper/harden an 80% receiver into a firearm could do the same with a 0% receiver (a block of metal or a piece of plate steel).

Criminals will simply buy or steal what they want. They have no reason to go to this trouble to make a gun. Also, guns aren't even needed in many crimes.

Wow you really are AR-ignorant (ARgnorant?)

In ARs, the lower receiver is the THE FIREARM. It contains the fire control system. Thus the shape the finished fire control pocket in the lower receiver is part of what makes it an MG or NOT A MG.

The upper receiver has the barrel group, the bolt carrier, the gas system, and is considered just another gun part.

ARs are modular with most vendors following a common hole pattern thus it is possible to mix and match uppers and lowers to switch calibers, from say 5.56mm to .300 AAC.

https://www.80-lower.com/blogs/80-lower-blog/how-to-complete-an-80-lower-receiver/

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"My point, which everyone keeps silently gliding past, is that 80% receivers are a loophole in the law that can't be ignored forever. Either put them on the same footing as factory guns, or factory guns on the same footing as them. Pick your poison guys."

Your chances of being the victim of a crime using an 80% gun ranks right up there with being hit by a meteorite. Best worry about about the stolen gun, which requires no background check.

Wait so we're going to start bringing actual likelihoods of things into the conversation? That opens up a lot of possibilities. But I agree that crime guns are much more likely. Why is it then that Illinois has no law requiring reporting of lost/stolen guns? I recall reading that the #1 source of crime guns recovered from Chicago and traced come out of the suburbs where they are presumably "lost" or "stolen". If we're worrying about stolen guns, are we worried enough to require mandatory reporting, or have we identified a sweet spot where we're worried enough to stay the hell out of Chicago but not actually try to do anything about it?

[Vern Humphrey]

"My point, which everyone keeps silently gliding past, is that 80% receivers are a loophole in the law that can't be ignored forever. Either put them on the same footing as factory guns, or factory guns on the same footing as them. Pick your poison guys."

Your chances of being the victim of a crime using an 80% gun ranks right up there with being hit by a meteorite. Best worry about about the stolen gun, which requires no background check.

Liberals argue from ideology, not from facts or logic. If it were not so, they would be down in the 5% of US counties that have 68% of the homicides and trying to change the culture in those counties.

[Art]

There are pro-gun Democrats, even in Texas, but they're not gun fetishists like some on the right.

Maybe, but you have to look real hard to find one where it counts. The Texas Congressional Delegation consists of 35 Representatives and two Senators. 13 are Democrats. One Democrat in the delegation, Henry Cuellar has an NRA "A" rating. Joaquin Castro has a "C." All the rest are "Ds" or "Fs." At the end of the last century 20% of Democrat members of the U.S. House and Senate had an NRA "A" rating. Now its 2%. At least in Texas it's 8%. Thank you Rep. Cuellar . There used to be two Democrats with and "A" rating but "Clean Gene" Green" retired at the end of the last cycle. He was replaced by Sylvia Garcia who has an "F" rating.

Now to the Texas State House. In this year's elections there are 126 Democrats running for seats in the Tx. Senate or House who have an NRA rating. One, Juan "Chuy" Hinojosa has an "B" rating. Nine have "C" ratings and 116 have "D" or "F" ratings.

So out of 166 Democrats who have a voting record or public statements to analyse we have 1 "A" and 1"B." Those are the only people in the Democrat Party in Texas who have, or may have, any legislative say so of whom it can be unequivocally said are "pro gun rights."

[Gun Smoke]

Wow you really are AR-ignorant (ARgnorant?)

In ARs, the lower receiver is the THE FIREARM. It contains the fire control system. Thus the shape the finished fire control pocket in the lower receiver is part of what makes it an MG or NOT A MG.

The upper receiver has the barrel group, the bolt carrier, the gas system, and is considered just another gun part.

WE know what an AR is. What difference does it make how it is designed?

Criminals, typically democrats, are too lazy to work. That's why they steal and loot in the first place. They aren't going to try to make something they can just merely steal from someone else.

[Vern Humphrey]

WE know what an AR is. What difference does it make how it is designed?

Criminals, typically democrats, are too lazy to work. That's why they steal and loot in the first place. They aren't going to try to make something they can just merely steal from someone else.

Oh, come on. You know there are machine shops run by the drug gangs going full blast. completing 80% AR 15s. They're even making ballistic missiles and strategic bombers.

You don't believe me? Ask the Three Stooges.