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Autocorrect typo, you're right, odd. Meant to say "unredeemed sinner", which makes a lot more sense. Thank you!
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Also, Jr. has walked back his resignation, probably to sweeten his severance package. I would guess maybe his contract has a character clause in it allowing termination? Liberty U., probably a non-profit for tax reasons, going to be owned by a foundation, run by a board. It could get messy, but yes they can rid themselves of Jr. if they like.Comment
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The corrected typo not withstanding, the question of how many unredeemed SINNERS ought to be figuring prominently in the MAGA movement is an important question. It's also a problem the athiests don't have, since they don't believe in redemption. And what does it say about followers of those unredeemed leaders? Maybe Art or Bruce chooses to weigh in here with a well-chosen verse from scripture. But as I see it, it's one thing to have flawed leaders, who admit their fallibility (eg Biden, many others) and quite another to have those who are clearly unrepentant and reject the idea of seeking redemption (eg Fallwell Jr, Trump). Theologically I think I'm on pretty firm ground here pointing out the problem, even tough I'm just an amateur at scripture, not in the biz for the money.Last edited by togor; 08-25-2020, 08:29.Comment
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Scripture is full of fallen who were redeemed, Paul comes to mind. No one is infallible, perfect or otherwise. Answer me this Torgor: From reading your many posts after eons why do you take so much pleasure and joy in any misfortune of others? When other's are in pain it pleases you to no end.
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Tell me Sam, what is necessary for redemption? It's an important question.
Fallwell Jr. is a hypocrite of the worst sort, is he not? Amassing a personal fortune while selling a morality that he himself is not committed to practice? One easily imagines that as an insult to God, an expression of evil in the world. Can people not draw satisfaction when evil is brought into the light?
On the subject of cuckolds, a good friend tells a story. Years ago, he was working in Italy. His second child, a son, was born there, and my friend with his head of dark hair, took his toe-headed son to a pool where some Italian men there viewed him with obvious mirth, on the assumption that he had been cuckolded by his wife, raising a blonde boy who was not his biological son. My friend had no doubts himself, in part because at that age his hair was a similar color. Anyhow, he is telling this story one night, at the home of an Italian host, who becomes stone-faced and has to leave the room. After some time, the answer is revealed, as the host says to my friend: "My son has red hair. But there is no red hair anywhere in my family. The butcher in town has red hair." So good news for Fallwell Jr. if he is not raising someone else's kid as his own, with his wife swearing to know nothing about it, as would be the case in Italy.
Here's Jerry and son Trey (probably his) from the Miami nightclub back in 2014. It's not like he didn't know for awhile now that he was coming up short on the morals required at Liberty U. He just didn't care.
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One could tell you and yet, you would not listen nor seeTell me Sam, what is necessary for redemption? It's an important question.
Fallwell Jr. is a hypocrite of the worst sort, is he not? Amassing a personal fortune while selling a morality that he himself is not committed to practice? One easily imagines that as an insult to God, an expression of evil in the world. Can people not draw satisfaction when evil is brought into the light?
On the subject of cuckolds, a good friend tells a story. Years ago, he was working in Italy. His second child, a son, was born there, and my friend with his head of dark hair, took his toe-headed son to a pool where some Italian men there viewed him with obvious mirth, on the assumption that he had been cuckolded by his wife, raising a blonde boy who was not his biological son. My friend had no doubts himself, in part because at that age his hair was a similar color. Anyhow, he is telling this story one night, at the home of an Italian host, who becomes stone-faced and has to leave the room. After some time, the answer is revealed, as the host says to my friend: "My son has red hair. But there is no red hair anywhere in my family. The butcher in town has red hair." So good news for Fallwell Jr. if he is not raising someone else's kid as his own, with his wife swearing to know nothing about it, as would be the case in Italy.
Here's Jerry and son Trey (probably his) from the Miami nightclub back in 2014. It's not like he didn't know for awhile now that he was coming up short on the morals required at Liberty U. He just didn't care.
"IN THE WORLD BUT NOT OF THE WORLD!"
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IIRC DNA testing is the method to determine paternity these days. Then there's the "switched at birth" problem.
I haven't read of anyone stepping forward to defend Falwell, Jr.Comment
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IN THE WORLD NOT OF THE WORLD would be how someone justifies voting with secular Democrats or going to a non-Christian University. But leaders who claim to be Christian but clearly do not consider themselves bound by Christian morals, and do not seek redemption for transgressions, they represent a serious problem. Because if leaders themselves disregard in the rules, then Christianity as an idea in this world becomes meaningless. It just becomes random interpretations of bronze-age philosophy, everyone for themselves.
Cyrus of Persia was not a Jew. Trump however claims to be a Christian. This places an obligation on Trump to seek redemption. So far Trump is wholly unrepentant. This cannot be ignored if faith is to have ANY meaning.
Next question: Can following the devil lead someone to salvation?
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At this point probably not, but there were signs for years, and there were defenders. He knows what must be done going forward in order to restore himself to that perch. The question is whether or he can fake it or cares enough at this point to try.Comment
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Vernon I don't have any reason to believe you or your father were cuckolded and don't believe I implied it in any way.Last edited by togor; 08-26-2020, 06:27.Comment
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I never got the impression Fallwell was the anti dancing fundamental type baptist,
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He has broken a few of the rules to be sure. If the President, Faculty, Board, etc. are to be exempted from these rules, maybe there should be a PDF for that too.
By ordinary standards, none of the stuff Jr. did was close to criminal. Nothing wrong with kicking back with a cocktail, or harmless flirting. The pool boy thing is a little edgy but hey, consenting adults, right?
But his employer, Liberty U., has a business model that is about doing right by God by adhering to a strict moral code. No one expects him to be perfect but at the same time that belief system does not like it when people who ought to know better--especially leaders--decide to flip God off. So it goes with the territory, right?
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