Cops are leaving Democrat states/cities.

[lyman]

Or buying one near a shooting range, & then trying to get the town to pass a zoning ordnance to close it down--not hypothetical, it's happened many times & more often than not, the range looses. Big property developers vs. some barely break even range? No contest.

my club actively buys any surrounding land it can,

[clintonhater]

my club actively buys any surrounding land it can,

Good idea if you can afford it, but takes a lot of empty space to soak up the sound of a high-power rifle. My club has town property on one side (the dump), but on the other side, is 2000 ac now owned by a logging co. that might some day be developed. (Not that I'll be around to see it.)

[Vern Humphrey]

Good idea if you can afford it, but takes a lot of empty space to soak up the sound of a high-power rifle. My club has town property on one side (the dump), but on the other side, is 2000 ac now owned by a logging co. that might some day be developed. (Not that I'll be around to see it.)

And right now your club should be working to get that 2,000 acres zoned as agricultural and not suitable for development.

[lyman]

And right now your club should be working to get that 2,000 acres zoned as agricultural and not suitable for development.

good idea, but not worth the fees,


whoever buys that land (and it will likely sell eventually, will grease some zoning peoples, and local gov'ts pockets with $$$ and get it reversed

[Vern Humphrey]

good idea, but not worth the fees,


whoever buys that land (and it will likely sell eventually, will grease some zoning peoples, and local gov'ts pockets with $$$ and get it reversed

Possibly. Another thing you can do is invite the police and Sheriff's Department and gain their support.

[lyman]

Possibly. Another thing you can do is invite the police and Sheriff's Department and gain their support.

actually, the cost is too great,

we (the club I belong to) allowed the city and county police to use our ranges

the round count off property went up significantly, very significantly,

one group was caught having officers stand next to a target at 100 yrs, while the dept sharpshooter shot at the target
so they would know what the passing bullet would sound like

thankfully they built a local combined jurisdiction range for the police to train

[Vern Humphrey]

actually, the cost is too great,

we (the club I belong to) allowed the city and county police to use our ranges

the round count off property went up significantly, very significantly,

one group was caught having officers stand next to a target at 100 yrs, while the dept sharpshooter shot at the target
so they would know what the passing bullet would sound like

thankfully they built a local combined jurisdiction range for the police to train

You have some STOOPID LEOs!!

[lyman]

have you ever been on a range with a cop?

[clintonhater]

good idea, but not worth the fees,


whoever buys that land (and it will likely sell eventually, will grease some zoning peoples, and local gov'ts pockets with $$$ and get it reversed

EXACTLY that has already happened on some local lake front property. Developer claimed that the number of lots he was allowed by zoning wouldn't make his condo project feasible, so town simply rezoned the property to give the SOB what he wanted.

[clintonhater]

actually, the cost is too great,

we (the club I belong to) allowed the city and county police to use our ranges

the round count off property went up significantly, very significantly,

one group was caught having officers stand next to a target at 100 yrs, while the dept sharpshooter shot at the target
so they would know what the passing bullet would sound like

thankfully they built a local combined jurisdiction range for the police to train

I wouldn't be afraid to do that bullet "sound" test--in fact, I'd like to do it, for the reason it was proposed.

The Sheriff's Dept. 15-man swat team already has training exercises at our range, maybe 3 or 4 times / yr. At that frequency, not a major conflict with other members, although making them pick-up the thousands of cases fired each time requires some nagging.

[Vern Humphrey]

have you ever been on a range with a cop?

Yup. In Virginia, I had some good friends who were cops, and I trained cops in Georgia.

[Vern Humphrey]

I wouldn't be afraid to do that bullet "sound" test--in fact, I'd like to do it, for the reason it was proposed.

The Sheriff's Dept. 15-man swat team already has training exercises at our range, maybe 3 or 4 times / yr. At that frequency, not a major conflict with other members, although making them pick-up the thousands of cases fired each time requires some nagging.

Way back when, we had ranges in the Army with concrete culverts sunk vertically, about 8-10 feet deep. A soldier with a target on a pole sat in the bottom and held the target up when signaled. You got to hear the "crack-crack-crack!" very clearly.

For that matter, when you're licking-and-sticking on a known distance range, you can hear the crack of the bullet -- that's how you know YOUR target has been hit.

We taught the "crack-thump" technique. When you're under fire, the first thing you hear is the crack!, the supersonic shock wave generated by the bullet. An instant later, you'll hear the thump, the sound of gas escaping at the muzzle. The crack! is disorienting -- it will appear to come from the closest point of approach of the bullet -- you'll hear it to right and left of you and above you.

So we teach troops to be alerted by the crack! and listen for the thump. That's how you locate the bastard.

[lyman]

Way back when, we had ranges in the Army with concrete culverts sunk vertically, about 8-10 feet deep. A soldier with a target on a pole sat in the bottom and held the target up when signaled. You got to hear the "crack-crack-crack!" very clearly.

For that matter, when you're licking-and-sticking on a known distance range, you can hear the crack of the bullet -- that's how you know YOUR target has been hit.

We taught the "crack-thump" technique. When you're under fire, the first thing you hear is the crack!, the supersonic shock wave generated by the bullet. An instant later, you'll hear the thump, the sound of gas escaping at the muzzle. The crack! is disorienting -- it will appear to come from the closest point of approach of the bullet -- you'll hear it to right and left of you and above you.

So we teach troops to be alerted by the crack! and listen for the thump. That's how you locate the bastard.

working the pits at Perry, some of the old guys would put their hand on the frame,

the could feel the bullet hitting the backer

then someone got hurt one year and you got yelled at if you were not against the wall looking up,

of course a low shooter putting a round in the berm right over your head, spraying you with sand, was not fun,

[rayg]

I fired guns for years but it wasn't until I joined the Army at 17 and did duty in the pits did I realize a bullet cracked/snapped when it went over your head....

[Vern Humphrey]

Once you hear that sound, you never forget it -- especially if it's for real. The only more impressive sound in that case is a ricochet.

One strange phenomenon is to stand a hundred yards or so behind the firing line at a range where rapid fire is going on. You hear "pop-pop-pop" and after the cease fire command, you hear "crack-crack-crack." -- the reflected sound of the sonic cracks coming back.