Activists with Antifa flags attack Trump supporters protesting censorship

**togor** · 10-18-2020, 05:38

Trump supporters are angry that they are being thwarted in their attempts to use someone else's private property to spread lies and misinformation. That's not a very conservative position, but then Trump's street rabble isn't very conservative.

**rayg** · 10-18-2020, 06:10

Originally posted by togor

Trump supporters are angry that they are being thwarted in their attempts to use someone else's private property to spread lies and misinformation. That's not a very conservative position, but then Trump's street rabble isn't very conservative.

Oh please...your negative posts about Trump are really getting boring..

**JohnPeeff** · 10-18-2020, 07:03

Togor, you defend the indefensible, with a reply like that you show how ignorant and biased you are.

**togor** · 10-18-2020, 07:23

Originally posted by rayg

Oh please...your negative posts about Trump are really getting boring..

But it's true. Twitter is private property, allowed to set their terms of use by others, and they choose to not let BS stories, unverified, be knowingly passed off as fact on their equipment. And yes among Trump's support is a contingent of street fighters who like to mix it up with the likes of Antifa. The broader point being....if this is how the right plans on winning elections now, how is it any different than the far left? I see no difference.

**rayg** · 10-18-2020, 08:10

And you agree with the news censuring the news right..

**Roadkingtrax** · 10-18-2020, 08:31

I wonder how the fairness doctrine would or could be applicable for social media companies? Are they a news company? Are they a broader equivalent of the local bar, or meeting venue?

In reality, the more raw the reactions (posts, hashtags, shares, etc.) the better the data to government and advertising companies that want to use and abuse it. There's a real referendum coming, but how and when is anyone's guess.

**togor** · 10-18-2020, 08:40

Originally posted by rayg

And you agree with the news censuring the news right..

Passing off Russian disinfo as fact, you approve of the tactic? That's where it starts. They're not clipping normal ads or rally announcements.

**barretcreek** · 10-18-2020, 08:44

Are Social Media companies monopolies and common carriers or just private entities? That's is the question. Among other things they come to a device via publicly accessed transmission methods, so it's not a 'private service' from one person to another.

What defines the Commons?

**togor** · 10-18-2020, 09:07

Net neutrality is dead, which argues that the net backbone is private property, and operators can set tariffs on bandwidth as they see fit to maximize their business interests.

Giuliani's people uploaded this by mistake last week. This is the guy Ivan chose as the delivery agent for a fake story. A pathetic and inspired choice in equal measure, but the question remains, is any company obligated to propagate his disinfo in the name of the public good? Hard to see how anyone gets to "yes".

**garandeguy10** · 10-18-2020, 09:27

I guess Tobore thinks He, Twitter and Facebook are the Ministry of Truth and gets to determine what is the truth or "lies and misinformation" for us all.

I have a better idea Tobore, how about people getting to say or publish what they like, and I will determine what are "lies and misinformation", or is the truth for myself.

It is called Freedom Tobore, you should look into it someday.... It used to be a tradition here in the United States of America.

**togor** · 10-18-2020, 09:42

Originally posted by garandeguy10

I guess Tobore thinks He, Twitter and Facebook are the Ministry of Truth and gets to determine what is the truth or "lies and misinformation" for us all.

I have a better idea Tobore, how about people getting to say or publish what they like, and I will determine what are "lies and misinformation", or is the truth for myself.

It is called Freedom Tobore, you should look into it someday.... It used to be a tradition here in the United States of America.

Triggered.

Freedom does not mean the freedom to act irresponsibily towards others, or didn't you have parents who taught you that.

Putting a faked story into the media ecosystem with the intent of "letting the viewers themselves decide if it's true or not" is not a public service. It is fake, so making people expend energy on it is in fact a disservice. Or is that how you think political power should be won and kept? Through fake stories? Is that what MAGA is all about?

Then there is Section 230, which shields social media from liability over user content. Trump wants to revisit that, presumably he doesn't like some of what is out there about him. Hard to see how the companies don't clamp down further on bogus content if lawsuit threats are real.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/15/fcc-...ction-230.html

**clintonhater** · 10-18-2020, 10:00

Originally posted by togor

Passing off Russian disinfo as fact, you approve of the tactic?

Which does the most harm: a trickle of Russian disinfo (assuming that's what it is) that you have to search for on the internet to find vs. a daily FLOOD of Dem disinfo poured out by the major new media in the guise of "objective" reporting?

**S.A. Boggs** · 10-18-2020, 11:05

Originally posted by garandeguy10

I guess Tobore thinks He, Twitter and Facebook are the Ministry of Truth and gets to determine what is the truth or "lies and misinformation" for us all.

I have a better idea Tobore, how about people getting to say or publish what they like, and I will determine what are "lies and misinformation", or is the truth for myself.

It is called Freedom Tobore, you should look into it someday.... It used to be a tradition here in the United States of America.

Our "three" are the modern equilvelnt of the old Nazi Party down to their use of thugs to beat up on those who do not agree. I can understand Trax as an American he can voice his opinion of American, Togey is a Haitian who will soon be deported by ICE in a few months to go and sweep the streets of Togey's homeland. Togey can't vote in our elections and can only spread hatred for the country that gave him shelter.
Sam

**togor** · 10-18-2020, 01:47

Originally posted by clintonhater

Which does the most harm: a trickle of Russian disinfo (assuming that's what it is) that you have to search for on the internet to find vs. a daily FLOOD of Dem disinfo poured out by the major new media in the guise of "objective" reporting?

I won't deny that Trump's coverage is rough, and generally negative. But the truth is a bitch sometimes, and he's not the first elected official to have a hard time running on his record. And his entire approach has been a base strategy, along with overtures to pick off disaffected members of groups generally in the other coalition. When he says the press is the enemy of the people, the press attacks him right back. Is it fair to say that the First Amendment was not written to protect the office of President? I would say so. Hence: the sympathies of the founders lie with the free press, not the ruler. Hard pill to swallow for some but unquestionably true.

Murdoch's First Amendment rights allow him to publish a specious story, for whatever reasons suit him. Social media's private property rights allow them to decide whether or not to participate in Murdoch's endeavor, or not. But again, there was a time when openly sourcing something from an unfriendly foreign government purposes would have been a death blow for a conservative. It goes to show how far astray the movement has gone that it resorts to such tactics, but also something hopeful for the country that the reaction is "meh".

Activists with Antifa flags attack Trump supporters protesting censorship

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