Black guy with knife shot by police and 30 officers injured by protesters

[rayg]

Here we go again!

Protests have erupted in Philadelphia after police officers fatally shot Walter Wallace Jr., 27, on Monday and at least 30 officers have been hurt with 12 hospitalized including one female Philadelphia Police Sergeant, 56, who suffered a broken leg after being hit by a speeding pick-up truck as protesters pelt police with bricks as BLM demonstrators and LOOTERS swarm Philadelphia after officers shot and killed a knife-wielding black man

Late in the night, growing anger turned into a violent standoff outside the Philadelphia Police 18th District HQ

Several officers have been injured by bricks and other projectiles thrown at them by demonstrators and one officer was struck by a vehicle and the shocking moment was caught on camera by a protester

When police arrived, they said they found Wallace holding a knife, which they say he refused to drop and two officers then opened fire, striking him multiple times, and he was later pronounced dead in hospital

Wallace Jr.'s family say he suffered from mental illness and was on medication at the time of his death

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ck-man-27.html

More videos..

https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-or...-philadelphia/

[togor]

Had the guy attacked anybody? Was he just having an episode? Seems a shame for all involved, including the police themselves, if their playbook requires them to start shooting in a situation like that.

[rayg]

Agreed if every one was just standing there..But I thought one of the videos showed him walking toward the officers and the officers backing away.. Did he than charge them?

[togor]

Agreed if every one was just standing there..But I thought one of the videos showed him walking toward the officers and the officers backing away.. Did he than charge them?

What I read, his mom was trying to keep the situation from spinning out of control.

Maybe it was suicide by cop. But on the assumption that cops are not indifferent to avoidable loss of life, what's the point of having a Batman-style-utility-belt full of non-lethal controls if they're not going to be used? If government bureaucracy in the form of out-of-date police procedures is to blame, then fix the procedures. Cops can't have it both ways, which is to say free discretion to use lethal force, and not face blowback in those suicide-by-cop cases. When an unarmed mom or grandma shows more courage than the LEOs, it's just a bad look for the department. And this happens over and over. These guys may have followed procedure. But the procedure gives the department another black eye.

[rayg]

The measure of intelligence is when a decision is based on when ALL the facts of a situation are provided.. Lol

[lyman]

The measure of intelligence is when a decision is based on when ALL the facts of a situation are provided.. Lol

and we may not ever know all the facts,


betting the Mom was trying to de-escalate the situation
also keep in mind the police have a neutralize the threat policy, (don't all depts?)

and a man with a knife can be faster than a man with a gun at some distances,

[rayg]

[QUOTE=lyman;601389]and we may not ever know all the facts,




You're right..OK I'll change my post to read.. All the available known facts.. Lol

[rayg]

One thing I would like to add.. Which is. when two officers both react at same time and shoot...there usually was a legitimate reason... like an immediate threat or danger to the officers and that both officers independently perceived to be the case at the same time.. for instance if a armed person holding a knife or weapon charged at them or raised the gun to point it at them... and both officers thought that they were in immediate danger...That may be what happened here..

[Johnny P]

The video shows the officers retreating from the attacker, and him coming after them.

[togor]

My sister's stepson (Milwaukee PD) had to use lethal force only a few weeks into patrols. Along with 3 other officers. Different situation, man had a gun, had been threatening people, threatened police when they caught up to him.

Better training is needed to recognize suicide-by-cop and prevent it. Either for the police, the public, or both.

[S.A. Boggs]

My sister's stepson (Milwaukee PD) had to use lethal force only a few weeks into patrols. Along with 3 other officers. Different situation, man had a gun, had been threatening people, threatened police when they caught up to him.

Better training is needed to recognize suicide-by-cop and prevent it. Either for the police, the public, or both.

My, My, My Togey has another "experience" in his "life".
Sam

[m1ashooter]

Lets slightly change the scenario. Two citizens on the street are charged by a man with a knife, they pull weapons and kill him. Would there be attacks against the police and burning and looting? Probably not.

[dryheat]

Lets slightly change the scenario. Two citizens on the street are charged by a man with a knife, they pull weapons and kill him. Would there be attacks against the police and burning and looting? Probably not.

Very good point. All this reminds me again of those awful sixties movies(I think Charlton Heston was in a couple) where the bikers(if there's bikers it's a grade B movie) are running off about, "the man won't leave us alone". There's stupid people. There are cops. It's a tough job but someone has to do it.

[lyman]

My sister's stepson (Milwaukee PD) had to use lethal force only a few weeks into patrols. Along with 3 other officers. Different situation, man had a gun, had been threatening people, threatened police when they caught up to him.

Better training is needed to recognize suicide-by-cop and prevent it. Either for the police, the public, or both.

so what is the dept policy on such actions?

[oscars]

Society can’t continue to defund psychiatric services and to pass these services onto law enforcement (Rochester and here) and not expect similar outcomes. I really don’t care about some Mickey Mouse training program!