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  • Art
    Senior Member, Deceased
    • Dec 2009
    • 9256

    #1

    Polls

    This morning the "Real Clear Politics" average of polls has Joe Biden ahead of Donald Trump by 7.9 points. In 2016 at this point Hillary Clinton was ahead by 2.1 points.

    In the "Swing States" Biden leads by 3.1 points. Clinton led by 1.8 points in 2016. State polls are notoriously unreliable and there is a saying in political circles that if a Republican is behind by less than two points in a statewide race he's probably ahead.

    A lot of the polls are garbage polls, there is no way Trump is behind by nearly 8 points nationally and you know that by the way the Biden campaign is spending money and the amount of time Biden and Harris are spending on the trail. In State races its almost surely closer than 3 points. However, even the reputable polls have Biden up by about 1 to 5 points so if the election were held today Biden would be expected to win....right.

    Well probably but this situation is causing a lot of anxiety among pollsters. Frank Luntz, one of the better pollsters, said the other day that if Biden wins it s the death of political polling as a credible industry.
    Last edited by Art; 10-31-2020, 03:15.
  • Roadkingtrax
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2010
    • 7835

    #2
    One correction, Frank Luntz was quoted as saying:

    “If Donald Trump surprises people, if Joe Biden has a five or six-point lead and then Donald Trump wins, my profession is done. It’s finished because nobody will ever trust. You can make a mistake once, Brett. You cannot make it again."

    The polls certainly demonstrate popular vote, but that doesn't get you in the White House.
    "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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    • lyman
      Administrator - OFC
      • Aug 2009
      • 11269

      #3
      does anyone actually tell the pollster's the truth?

      the few calls I have answered, they would thing I am left of togor in my replies, which is not the way I vote

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      • Roadkingtrax
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2010
        • 7835

        #4
        Originally posted by lyman
        does anyone actually tell the pollster's the truth?

        the few calls I have answered, they would thing I am left of togor in my replies, which is not the way I vote
        They were adjusted and predicted 2018. So, lying, misrepresented support has been factored in apparently. Counting flags on trucks is bad polling too.
        "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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        • Gun Smoke
          Banned
          • Sep 2019
          • 1658

          #5
          Originally posted by lyman
          does anyone actually tell the pollster's the truth?

          the few calls I have answered, they would thing I am left of togor in my replies, which is not the way I vote
          I'll bet you get a lot of junk mail from AARP. They love liberals and those they presume are liberals.

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          • Vern Humphrey
            Administrator - OFC
            • Aug 2009
            • 15875

            #6
            Originally posted by Gun Smoke
            I'll bet you get a lot of junk mail from AARP. They love liberals and those they presume are liberals.
            I love AARP -- I've been using their mail since the toilet paper shortage. Don't try to flush it down the toilet after you use it, though. Just send it back to them in the self-addressed envelope they provide.

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            • Gun Smoke
              Banned
              • Sep 2019
              • 1658

              #7
              Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
              I love AARP -- I've been using their mail since the toilet paper shortage. Don't try to flush it down the toilet after you use it, though. Just send it back to them in the self-addressed envelope they provide.
              I always return junk mail when they provide prepaid envelopes being careful not to return anything with my name or a bar code. Normally I tear everything up and stuff it back in the envelope. Haven't thought of crapping on it first though, .... hmm.

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              • Vern Humphrey
                Administrator - OFC
                • Aug 2009
                • 15875

                #8
                Originally posted by Gun Smoke
                I always return junk mail when they provide prepaid envelopes being careful not to return anything with my name or a bar code. Normally I tear everything up and stuff it back in the envelope. Haven't thought of crapping on it first though, .... hmm.
                It works both ways -- I ordered some San Francisco Sourdough Starter, and when I opened the package, it was full of sh!t.

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                • SUPERX-M1
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2012
                  • 224

                  #9
                  Land line poll 5 yrs. ago. The first and last poll i participated in. County candidate. Questions went on for 20 minutes with me becoming aggravated over the time wasted. I was ok with candidate but not with enduring the poll.

                  I think they were trying to decide how to tailor his campaign and how to respond to some issue. So, perhaps it wasn't the usual poll.
                  Last edited by SUPERX-M1; 10-31-2020, 09:07.

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                  • barretcreek
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2013
                    • 6065

                    #10
                    I may be wrong, but I think OrangeManBad might mop the deck with that demented pervert. Just my gut.

                    XiNN just endorsed Trump for a second term. Late, but still...

                    The guys who erected the Trump sign by the 405 have released a video, https://redstate.com/kiradavis/2020/...ign-ad-n272061
                    Last edited by barretcreek; 10-31-2020, 09:11.

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