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  • dryheat
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 10587

    #16
    -Other policies are simply heretical. He opposes credential-oriented higher education, for example, which he says is a way of mass-producing elites without also mass-producing elite jobs for them to occupy. Architects of such policies, he told me, are “creating surplus elites, and some become counter-elites.” A smarter approach would be to keep the elite numbers small, and the real wages of the general population on a constant rise.-

    But he admits figuring out solutions -isn't his job- He just reports what he sees. He's probably right somewhat(no ones right all the time). Loan Forgiveness. That's a hot button of mine. Letting people who are young enough and healthy enough to work on a roofing job go to college and then maybe pay for it or maybe not. Not just real smart people becoming Elites but a lot of dumb people thinking they are smart but for some reason they don't have a McMansion so they protest. And protest and protest. And align with other losers they feel an affinity for. I think this is kind of what he is getting at.
    Last edited by dryheat; 11-12-2020, 07:43.
    If I should die before I wake...great,a little more sleep.

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    • lyman
      Administrator - OFC
      • Aug 2009
      • 11266

      #17
      Originally posted by togor
      Asimov? Yeah. Similar idea.

      similar, not really, but kinda


      the writer and guy written about think they know people, and compare themselves to Hari Seldon,

      yet, they don't


      Foundation was about reading people as a large group, not the short term small group that the article suggests,


      sounded like a fluff piece at first, esp since the mini series based on Foundation is (hopefully) being released soon,




      as far as your quote,

      hogwash,
      billionaires have billions to invest, or divest, and comparing them to the poor is not a real comparison,

      unless you are studying wealth redistribution,, and that leads to ???

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      • S.A. Boggs
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 8568

        #18
        Originally posted by togor
        Also, DT,

        If the guy's timeline is right, the next 5 years are doomed to suck, possibly worse for having Trump in office.

        Stuff has been brewing for awhile, I've watched it slowly build, and wondered what will be the state of firearms ownership in this country afterwards if the political zit pops in a bad way.
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        Again, many thanks!
        Sam

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        • togor
          Banned
          • Nov 2009
          • 17610

          #19
          Originally posted by lyman
          as far as your quote,

          hogwash,
          billionaires have billions to invest, or divest, and comparing them to the poor is not a real comparison,

          unless you are studying wealth redistribution,, and that leads to ???
          In your view, is American society becoming more or less stable in the past decades, and projected going forward?

          We know what is happening to wealth inequality in that same period.

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          • lyman
            Administrator - OFC
            • Aug 2009
            • 11266

            #20
            Originally posted by togor
            In your view, is American society becoming more or less stable in the past decades, and projected going forward?

            We know what is happening to wealth inequality in that same period.
            using article and your quotes, we are at that magical 50 yr mark, things, according to the author, will improve now and up to 2070,


            wealth inequality? been a thing since we humans were trading rocks and chickens,,

            would you prefer a revolution comrade?

            has that ever worked out? (the answer is no)

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            • togor
              Banned
              • Nov 2009
              • 17610

              #21
              You disapprove of the American Revolution?

              Interesting.

              But you didn't really answer my question, if you think things are more stable these days, and what the trendlines show (in your opinion).

              Another one, agree or disagree: [I]the elites make the rules to benefit themselves, locking in their advantages, leaving regular people at a disadvantage.[/]

              And this: Trump and his family are members of the elite, even as they try to argue otherwise, that they're attacking the real elites on behalf of ordinary working people.

              Guessing from your past posts, you would agree to both.

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              • lyman
                Administrator - OFC
                • Aug 2009
                • 11266

                #22
                who are you going to complain about if Trump does not get another term?

                are you going to be like the countless other democrats and piss and moan 'trumps fault' from now till eternity?


                and where do you see I disapprove of the American Revolution?

                - - - Updated - - -

                Originally posted by togor



                But you didn't really answer my question,
                actually, I did,

                but you did not read it, nor likely read much of that article,

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                • dryheat
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 10587

                  #23
                  * and I read some Jared Diamond but had to put it down. He kept hammering that because the New Guineans and other tribe know which side of the tree the moss grows on they are as smart as everyone else.

                  Currently the world is kind of coming apart but the stock market is skyrocketing(off and on lately). That seems pretty elite.

                  Doom and Gloom sells. If it bleeds, it leads. That kind of thing. I might buy the book.
                  Last edited by dryheat; 11-13-2020, 09:37.
                  If I should die before I wake...great,a little more sleep.

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                  • togor
                    Banned
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 17610

                    #24
                    Originally posted by lyman
                    who are you going to complain about if Trump does not get another term?

                    are you going to be like the countless other democrats and piss and moan 'trumps fault' from now till eternity?


                    and where do you see I disapprove of the American Revolution?

                    - - - Updated - - -



                    actually, I did,

                    but you did not read it, nor likely read much of that article,
                    Well you seemed to say that Revolutions don't turn out well. We had one that seemed to go okay, so far.

                    I did read the article, and when I asked you for YOUR opinion, you deflected to the article.

                    Do you think things are more stable these days or less? Pretty simple question.

                    Is wealth inequality increasing or decreasing in the country right now? Increasing.

                    How would those dots be connected?

                    Per DT's article which I clearly did read,

                    An oversupply of elites means battles between them. That's pretty clearly going on right now in our politics. One side, which they call the anti-elites, forms a coalition with some of the have-nots to take down the system.

                    We see signs of that in both factions.

                    On the left, some liberal elites seek to ally with the urban and minority economically dispossessed.

                    On the right, some conservative elites seek to ally with those feeling culturally dispossessed.

                    In the middle are those who think its a bad idea if too many people get screwed, economically, culturally, or otherwise.

                    What has broken down is the working consensus between elite groups, long united in confronting the external threats first of Germany and Imperial Japan, and then Communism.

                    Trump's blaming Mexico was small-ball nonsense, but the pivot on Red China, which is a lot bigger than us, and for the moment feeling unified and on the rise, was not a terrible move. If it's given whomever comes after him permission to tell those Chamber-of-Commerce elites to fix their supply bases, this is for the good.

                    But no mistake, per the link that DT gave us (thanks again DT!), Trump's primary battle in life is with the other elites who he thinks have snubbed him. That is a bad battle for POTUS to be fighting, but per the paper, the sort of thing that the writer regards as a mathematical inevitability.

                    Speaking of China, one day after Biden's people publicized the fact that he had taken calls from Japan, ROK, Australia, the PRC decided to publicly congratulate him on his election. That's no coincidence. China understands the USA's capacity to form multi-lateral agreements, and that is something they have to take seriously. That was Trump's biggest mistake in foreign policy, America alone, and we understand where that pathology comes from.
                    Last edited by togor; 11-13-2020, 11:16.

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                    • lyman
                      Administrator - OFC
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 11266

                      #25
                      seemed to say,


                      so you think and read just like the MSM,


                      proposed, seemed, could have, possibly, instead of did or didn't etc


                      assumptions etc,


                      and you praised Trump,, that had to hurt a bit,


                      btw, America Alone was never the message, but

                      Feelings

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                      • dogtag
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 14985

                        #26
                        The billionaires are buying islands and fortified bunkers. I wonder why.

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                        • S.A. Boggs
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 8568

                          #27
                          Biden plans on spending 7 Trillion dollars to redo the economy, just who is going to finance this? When Biden and Company is done the Great Depression of 90 years ago will look like a walk in the park.
                          Sam

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