We're in the Fast Lane ...

[togor]

NOT what he said! Which was that he didn't trust certain groups & instutions, like the brazenly partisan national media, or FBI, which, with ATF, created the Waco disaster, then covered it up. Trust our proven ENEMIES?

Who told him not to trust those agencies and why?

The guy telling you to "trust no one" invariably has his own interests at heart first and foremost. Believe him, not everyone else.

Brainwashing begins by getting the subject to believe that previous authority figures were lying to him/her, and they should accept this new authority.

I notice the guys from Dearborn are unhappy about something. But if that was a covid-19 protest, there's no mention of it in the sign.

[lyman]

Lyman,

Here we go again,

You're drinking the Trump kool-aid about Russia,

Who did the "debunking"? Trump and his apparatchiks? How about then a justice project that surveys convicts, and recommends for release those who say they're innocent, because, why would they lie about such an important topic? Think of the tax dollars saved, the wrongs righted! Gads, why hasn't anyone thought of this before?

Public: "Mr. Trump, did you guys try to maximize your benefit from Russian meddling in the 2016 campaign?"

Trump: "No, we would never do such a thing. I like to win, but there are lines that should not be crossed. Here, read the unredacted report for yourselves. Form your own conclusions."

If you want to win an argument on the togor front, you'll have to bring more than spitballs for talking points.

I don't drink koolaid,

I have a memory that goes back more than 4 years,


you cannot see past the big T in the room, and I don't mean Tennessee

[clintonhater]

Who told him not to trust those agencies and why?

Holy Sh-t, who with an IQ above 75 needs to be "told" that the national media twists & slants & omits news stories in support of every left-wing cause or person? Such an idiot would have to "told" the sun had risen.

Or, considering what's undisputed about David Koresh's lifestyle, that the FBI staged the raid as a publicity stunt to advance the careers of the bureaucrats who planned it?

My Dearborn friends are protesting, OBVIOUSLY, the take-over of their home-town by the raghead scum from all over the raghead world let into the country by three Dems, Clinton, Bush (the closet Dem), & Obammy. But they're also wise to the mask hoax.

[togor]

Holy Sh-t, who with an IQ above 75 needs to be "told" that the national media twists & slants & omits news stories in support of every left-wing cause or person? Such an idiot would have to "told" the sun had risen.

Or, considering what's undisputed about David Koresh's lifestyle, that the FBI staged the raid as a publicity stunt to advance the careers of the bureaucrats who planned it?

My Dearborn friends are protesting, OBVIOUSLY, the take-over of their home-town by the raghead scum from all over the raghead world let into the country by three Dems, Clinton, Bush (the closet Dem), & Obammy. But they're also wise to the mask hoax.

You forgot the GOP-aligned Chamber of Commerce, which correctly points out that economic growth is tied to population growth, and with births down, the way to grow the population is to import it. We both live in states where the dairy industry is considered culturally significant, if more important economically in one state than the other. Back when there were malls, and Sears stores, it amazed me how many Mexican families were out shopping on a Friday night when I was hitting the tool section, to get whatever it was I needed for the weekend repair job. A lot of them it turns out were illegals, from the lax Clinton/Bush years, who found work up north, including on dairy farms, where the women especially have a reputation for being really really good with the cows. But yes I did wonder why things had to be so lax at the border.

After the 2016 election when the Trump administration made (some temporary) movement towards not looking the other way when it came to dairy farm illegals, there were farmers being quoted in the newspaper to the effect "I heard what Trump was saying but didn't think he meant it." It turns out Trump kinda did, and kinda didn't. Four years in they are still a part of the landscape.

https://www.jsonline.com/in-depth/news/special-reports/dairy-crisis/2019/11/12/wisconsin-dairy-farms-rely-immigrant-workers-undocumented-laborers/2570288001/

People don't face a pretty hazardous journey crossing an open desert for the chance to collect welfare. It doesn't follow. They work, and in so doing fill open slots in grey areas of the economy. Those fellows from Dearborn maybe don't like looking at the newcomers, but if we're being realistic about it, catering to the desires of the Dearborn retiree set is NOT the way to grow the economy, and a growing economy is part of what is needed to pay for Dearborn retiree entitlements.

Long story short, life is about taking some bad with the good, and finding some good with the bad, hopefully going about it with a bit of grace.

If you get rid of all of the Mexicans, then the small dairy farmer is history, because he can't afford to automate. The cows will still be there, in the mega-farm barns, but the farmhouses will be empty, as will the local schools. The countryside is already hollowing out to the point where these mega-farms are like isolated mining outputs extracting wealth from the land to ship far far away. If more of that is what you want, then by all means, call your Congressman and demand more crackdowns.

[S.A. Boggs]

Pebbles stated about the "Fast Lane" with this in regards after 1 February where are we going? I would like to be able to plan for the trip and know the itinerary.
Sam

[RED]

lets not go there

[togor]

pot meet kettle

[Sandpebble]

and again,

[clintonhater]

You forgot the GOP-aligned Chamber of Commerce, which correctly points out that economic growth is tied to population growth, and with births down, the way to grow the population is to import it. We both live in states where the dairy industry is considered culturally significant, if more important economically in one state than the other. Back when there were malls, and Sears stores, it amazed me how many Mexican families were out shopping on a Friday night when I was hitting the tool section, to get whatever it was I needed for the weekend repair job. A lot of them it turns out were illegals, from the lax Clinton/Bush years, who found work up north, including on dairy farms, where the women especially have a reputation for being really really good with the cows. But yes I did wonder why things had to be so lax at the border.

After the 2016 election when the Trump administration made (some temporary) movement towards not looking the other way when it came to dairy farm illegals, there were farmers being quoted in the newspaper to the effect "I heard what Trump was saying but didn't think he meant it." It turns out Trump kinda did, and kinda didn't. Four years in they are still a part of the landscape.

https://www.jsonline.com/in-depth/news/special-reports/dairy-crisis/2019/11/12/wisconsin-dairy-farms-rely-immigrant-workers-undocumented-laborers/2570288001/

People don't face a pretty hazardous journey crossing an open desert for the chance to collect welfare. It doesn't follow. They work, and in so doing fill open slots in grey areas of the economy. Those fellows from Dearborn maybe don't like looking at the newcomers, but if we're being realistic about it, catering to the desires of the Dearborn retiree set is NOT the way to grow the economy, and a growing economy is part of what is needed to pay for Dearborn retiree entitlements.

Long story short, life is about taking some bad with the good, and finding some good with the bad, hopefully going about it with a bit of grace.

If you get rid of all of the Mexicans, then the small dairy farmer is history, because he can't afford to automate. The cows will still be there, in the mega-farm barns, but the farmhouses will be empty, as will the local schools. The countryside is already hollowing out to the point where these mega-farms are like isolated mining outputs extracting wealth from the land to ship far far away. If more of that is what you want, then by all means, call your Congressman and demand more crackdowns.

You don't know the diff between a wetback & a raghead? The former do have a place here, with regulation, the latter's place is the sh-t hole they came from.

[togor]

You don't know the diff between a wetback & a raghead? The former do have a place here, with regulation, the latter's place is the sh-t hole they came from.

The wall wasn't gonna be built to keep the southwest asians out was it. So much for your attempt at nuance.

[Sandpebble]

and again,

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hmmph ... who'd have thought ?

Who do ya need to protect Lyman ? .... let me know and I'll leave them alone

[togor]

Last edited by lyman; 11-18-2020 at 03:35. Reason: sorry pebbles, comments you quoted needed to go

hmmph ... who'd have thought ?

Who do ya need to protect Lyman ? .... let me know and I'll leave them alone

God is good and wants only the best for his children.

[clintonhater]

The wall wasn't gonna be built to keep the southwest asians out was it. So much for your attempt at nuance.

REGULATED is the critical nuance, as opposed to an uncontrolled free-for-all, which is what the Dems will do nothing to stop, & many will encourage.

[togor]

REGULATED is the critical nuance, as opposed to an uncontrolled free-for-all, which is what the Dems will do nothing to stop, & many will encourage.

You keep blaming the Democrats buts business's demand for cheap illegal labor that drives it. Follow the money.

[clintonhater]

You keep blaming the Democrats buts business's demand for cheap illegal labor that drives it. Follow the money.

No I don't blame only Dems--not when Bush was one of the main proponents, & one of his biggest contributors was Tyson. But there's a big diif between letting it go on, turning a blind eye to it, & actively promoting it, as the Dems have done.