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  • togor
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    • Nov 2009
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    #16
    Originally posted by lyman
    look at what your own party does to others and themselves,

    doxxing folks that don't agree or go against,

    don't fit the profile, or walk the narrative line,, then out,
    It's not my party, but are you seriously arguing that Trump supporters aren't pretty aggressive about keeping the base in line? How many examples of that would you need to concede there is a point?

    The big difference I see is that Hillary threw in the towel, one day later, and Obama's GSA signed the docs straight away for transition, and things proceeded.

    Contrast that with the scorched earth strategy of frivolous lawsuits that are dispatched in court (but not before the plaintiffs stipulate to the judge that they are not alleging actual voter fraud), drilling down in the key states to find any point at which a routine certification can become a contested one, in order to delay the process, in order to blow the deadlines in the hope of getting the thing decided in the House at one vote/state. How does a victory like that not come at a huge cost to the process itself?

    Lots of analogies possible, but you don't like long posts so I'll try to be succinct.

    In a championship game, the weaker team could start its scrubs, and send them out at the start to knock the stronger team's stars out of the game with a series of illegal hits. Sure, multiple 15-yard penalties, possibly some ejections, possibly some retribution, but hey if it narrows the odds, it's worth a try. Would that be respecting the game? No.

    When I was in high school, for sports, if there was such a thing as a code of conduct, I never saw it. At my school, if you wanted to smoke, there was a designated area (I didn't). Don't drink at school but when I turned 18 in track season, could I go out on a weeknight and have a beer without running afoul of the code of conduct? Absolutely! Flip forward a few decades to my kids. Now the code of conduct is as thick as a grown man's thumb. How did that happen? Litigation, and an accumulation of additions resulting from it. In some corners of the world, including Trump's, there is this idea that if something is not expressly and explicitly against the rules, then it is allowed. Most people know that isn't how things work, that there has to be unwritten rules with a spirit to them that has to be respected. But when the star quarterback does something stupid that ought to get him suspended, and the parents fight it, the result is another 2 pages in the handbook. Over time things build up. Trump is by his own admission a terrible loser and highly litigious, so he is going to put everyone through this process, and many of his supporters are right there with him because so many people no longer have a sense of pride in their Democratic system of government by which we select our leaders, with the losing side living to fight another day. Post is longer than I thought oh well.
    Last edited by togor; 11-19-2020, 05:09.

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    • lyman
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      • Aug 2009
      • 11270

      #17
      your long posts tend to babble and ramble on like a woman that has had too much coffee discussing shoes,

      as in they go all over the place and rarely keep on track


      as far as base(s) the D's have the lock on eating there own, much more so than any R,

      (and only you brought up your president, Trump

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      • clintonhater
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        • Nov 2015
        • 5220

        #18
        Originally posted by togor
        many of his supporters are right there with him because so many people no longer have a sense of pride in their Democratic system of government by which we select our leaders, with the losing side living to fight another day.
        Pride in a system that elevates that grinning black jackass with the foreign name to such a position of power??? Or AOC? Maxine Waters? A hundred more of similar brainpower? Oh, but let me not overlook that "proud" BLM member just elected from Mo! Such a credit to the American way of life!

        Mob rule is the RIGHT name for our "Democratic system of government."

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        • togor
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          • Nov 2009
          • 17610

          #19
          Originally posted by clintonhater
          Pride in a system that elevates that grinning black jackass with the foreign name to such a position of power??? Or AOC? Maxine Waters? A hundred more of similar brainpower? Oh, but let me not overlook that "proud" BLM member just elected from Mo! Such a credit to the American way of life!

          Mob rule is the RIGHT name for our "Democratic system of government."
          If you or anyone else can't accept losing elections, living to fight another day, then you (or they) are threat to the system far worse than any brick thrower, completely separated from your politics.

          Of course you can't see that, but it's unquestionably true.

          Worse still in your case you're rejecting the tradition that was established by the Europeans who politically founded this country. And it goes to prove that you don't actually care all that much about culture, that it's all about your own base desires and grudges, and you will pick and choose from history to justify them.

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          Originally posted by lyman
          your long posts tend to babble and ramble on like a woman that has had too much coffee discussing shoes,

          as in they go all over the place and rarely keep on track


          as far as base(s) the D's have the lock on eating there own, much more so than any R,

          (and only you brought up your president, Trump
          The point remains that taking a hard loss without trying to eff everything up is part of the tradition. I thought conservatives valued tradition. Well like I say the GOP is no longer a traditional party, but rather a radical one. That has happened before hasn't it, although under wildly different circumstances and to wildly different ends.
          Last edited by togor; 11-19-2020, 05:59.

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          • clintonhater
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            • Nov 2015
            • 5220

            #20
            Originally posted by togor
            Worse still in your case you're rejecting the tradition that was established by the Europeans who politically founded this country.
            The tradition established by the Europeans who politically founded this country was to set qualifications for voting, because they foresaw the potential for mob rule without them.

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            • Vern Humphrey
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              • Aug 2009
              • 15875

              #21
              Read Federalist Paper Number 10.

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              • lyman
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                • Aug 2009
                • 11270

                #22
                Originally posted by togor
                If you or anyone else can't accept losing elections, living to fight another day, then you (or they) are threat to the system far worse than any brick thrower, completely separated from your politics.

                Of course you can't see that, but it's unquestionably true.

                Worse still in your case you're rejecting the tradition that was established by the Europeans who politically founded this country. And it goes to prove that you don't actually care all that much about culture, that it's all about your own base desires and grudges, and you will pick and choose from history to justify them.

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                The point remains that taking a hard loss without trying to eff everything up is part of the tradition. I thought conservatives valued tradition. Well like I say the GOP is no longer a traditional party, but rather a radical one. That has happened before hasn't it, although under wildly different circumstances and to wildly different ends.


                ramble on ,,,


                sing some song,



                yada yada,

                meanwhile, you have lost touch with the R base, since you still bring your President into every convo,,,

                while saying you are not a D,, yet every post points out that you are,,


                maybe Trump and his staff will steal all the B keys off the computers,

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                • togor
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                  • Nov 2009
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                  #23
                  One of my fav tunes but Robert Plant does it way better than you.

                  If the R base is against elections now, then yes I have lost touch with them. Because they left me, which is what I have been saying ever since I got here.

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                  • PWC
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 1366

                    #24
                    Originally posted by lyman
                    he is still your President

                    Taking the page from the Socialist Democrats....he is Mr. Biden. He might hold the office of President, but he is a corrupt one.

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                    • lyman
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                      • Aug 2009
                      • 11270

                      #25
                      Originally posted by togor
                      One of my fav tunes but Robert Plant does it way better than you.

                      If the R base is against elections now, then yes I have lost touch with them. Because they left me, which is what I have been saying ever since I got here.
                      R base is not against elections,
                      R base is finding too many little bits here and there of Voter fraud and lack of integrity

                      the D base is all happy, but oddly enough, not responding to calls of fraud or lack of integrity,

                      the D base wants Trump (who is still your President) to vacate the office now,
                      most have forgotten the process,


                      FWIW, the only instrument I can play is the radio

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                      Originally posted by PWC
                      Taking the page from the Socialist Democrats....he is Mr. Biden. He may hold the office of President if he takes the oath in Jan, , , but he is a corrupt one.
                      FIFY

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                      • togor
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                        • Nov 2009
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                        #26
                        The R base is against elections they don't win.

                        Originally posted by David Frum
                        Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy.
                        That's exactly what is happening. What they're supposed to do compete honestly. And spare me the Maggie's Drawers crap about Democrats cheating. These were clean elections with close losses in some states.

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                        • lyman
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                          • Aug 2009
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by togor
                          These were not clean elections with close losses in some states.
                          FIFY

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                          • togor
                            Banned
                            • Nov 2009
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                            #28
                            Originally posted by lyman
                            FIFY
                            Prove it

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                            • Roadkingtrax
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 7835

                              #29
                              Originally posted by togor
                              Prove it
                              He's absolutely correct.

                              Two Republican officials on Michigan's Wayne County Board of Canvassers reportedly received a call from President Donald Trump himself before they attempted to "rescind" their votes to certify the election.
                              "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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                              • togor
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                                • Nov 2009
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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Roadkingtrax
                                The cult sees that as business as usual.

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