Police have released video of a fatal shooting from a traffic stop

[rayg]

Minneapolis police have released video of a fatal shooting from a traffic stop

Notice how the DM Headline gives the impression they shot him for no reason...

Bodycam footage shows Minneapolis cops shouting at 23-year-old driver to put his hands up before shooting him dead during a traffic stop at a gas station

Minneapolis police have released video of a fatal shooting from a traffic stop
Police said the man - identified by his father as Dolal Idd - was a suspect in a felony and that eyewitnesses said he had fired first

The confrontation happened about 6.15pm Wednesday in a gas station on the south side, about a mile from where George Floyd died under knee of a cop

Video shooting shows Idd attempting to flee before his vehicle was hemmed in

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ffic-stop.html

[togor]

One step forward for police Ray, one step back.

Columbus, Ohio.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/31/us/andre-hill-shooting-columbus-mayor/index.html

[rayg]

The incident may be more involved in that the police were responding to a non-emergency disturbance call.
Coy, one of the cops who responded asked Hill to come out of the garage, but didn't command him to come out with his hands up. Wonder why he was in the garage? As Hill complied, The 2nd cop said she saw Hill raise a cell phone in his left hand, but she couldn't see his right side.
"When he came around the car, that is when Officer Coy observed a firearm and yelled 'there's a gun in his other hand, there's a gun in his other hand' and then there were shots,"
Detweiler said in the interview that she didn't recall whether Coy told Hill to drop the gun that Coy claimed he had.
Was there a gun? Or did the cop think he was holding one because his hand was hidden behind his back..And Why was he holding his hand behind his back? Maybe more to the story...Just some questions...

[togor]

Ray, in Columbus, body cams turned on ONLY AFTER the shooting, no firearm found, but cams showed LEOs were slow to render aid. Officer has been fired, charges pending investigation.

In Minneapolis, shoot at the cops, they will return fire.

BLM is a thing that exists because of the Columbus shooting, not the Minneapolis one.

A dark garage can be a problem, and this cop dealt with that problem using the old adage: better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. But I gotta wonder....with flashlight tech better than ever, why not use one to see what is going on? The deputies on patrol around here have maglights that could give someone a sunburn.

[Vern Humphrey]

Does someone have a time machine? How can an effect (BLM) exist before the cause (the shooting in Columbus?)

[lyman]

Ray, in Columbus, body cams turned on ONLY AFTER the shooting, no firearm found, but cams showed LEOs were slow to render aid. Officer has been fired, charges pending investigation.

In Minneapolis, shoot at the cops, they will return fire.

BLM is a thing that exists because of the Columbus shooting, not the Minneapolis one.

A dark garage can be a problem, and this cop dealt with that problem using the old adage: better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. But I gotta wonder....with flashlight tech better than ever, why not use one to see what is going on? The deputies on patrol around here have maglights that could give someone a sunburn.

wha??



and wasn't the BLM a thing due to Ferguson?

[togor]

Does someone have a time machine? How can an effect (BLM) exist before the cause (the shooting in Columbus?)

My point, imperfectly expressed, is that it is generally accepted that to shoot at police (or overtly threaten them with a firearm) will cause them to shoot. Cops have to be able to return fire.

What gave rise to BLM-like sentiments is an accumulation of incidents, like the one in Columbus, where the police shot someone under questionable circumstances who had in fact done nothing illegal and did not deserve to be shot.

To the question...Is it wrong for the public to pay close attention to how the government uses lethal force?....I think even folks here agree that's a worthy topic for citizen interest.

[lyman]

My point, I goofed on what I posted and will ask another question instead or admitting it, .

I fixed your quote

and no, the police should be held accountable for errors in police policy\judgement\field work esp those that lead to unnecessary deaths, however to micro manage from afar and after the fact will also be as dangerous ,,,

[togor]

IIRC the Ferguson, MO municipal court system funded itself by writing citations on the locals. The Brown shooting, messy but ultimately justified, was kind of a last straw. And like a fire, once started, fresh fuel can keep it going.

[togor]

I fixed your quote

and no, the police should be held accountable for errors in police policy\judgement\field work esp those that lead to unnecessary deaths, however to micro manage from afar and after the fact will also be as dangerous ,,,

Tough crowd

The point didn't have to be taken literally, but yes a fun game to jump on stuff. The clarification is out there now if anyone doesn't understand what I meant.

"After the fact" of one incident is before the fact of the next. In this case, if the Columbus PD makes failure to turn on the body cams grounds for termination going forward, maybe compliance goes up.

[Bt Doctur]

If he did fire first at the Police it was a good shoot. A person cant be that stupid to think the Police or a civilian would not return fire if fired upon. The problem is not the Black , honest, hard working ones causing the problems.
Criminals taking the room temperature challenge from stupidity will often win that prize.

[lyman]

IIRC the Ferguson, MO municipal court system funded itself by writing citations on the locals. The Brown shooting, messy but ultimately justified, was kind of a last straw. And like a fire, once started, fresh fuel can keep it going.

that is pretty much how some depts and counties are funded

[togor]

that is pretty much how some depts and counties are funded

Yes RED tells a number of stories about that region from his days on the road for work.

[rayg]

Yes RED tells a number of stories about that region from his days on the road for work.

Times have changed since Red's time as well as from my time as an Leo also...The states now have mandatory training and more oversite of policing as well as more public's awareness of bad policing incidents via the internet....example here with Togor always keeping us posted about those times...Lol

[togor]

Ray, Ferguson MO wasn't that long ago.