Biden 'plans to cancel $9 billion Keystone XL pipeline permit

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  • Johnny P
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 6260

    #16
    Originally posted by togor
    Crude out of Alberta is extracted from tar. They have to burn a lot of fuel just to get something that can be extracted and moved. From a CO2 production perspective, very expensive. No pipeline means it's less economical to move that tar, causing less enviromental damage. Nothing wrong with choosing once in awhile to not pollute more, IMO.
    It's not about what the crude is extracted from. It's about destroying jobs and higher energy prices.

    Moving it by rail or highway is safer than a pipeline? No. Pipelines are the safest and cheapest way to move crude.

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    • togor
      Banned
      • Nov 2009
      • 17610

      #17
      Originally posted by Johnny P
      It's not about what the crude is extracted from. It's about destroying jobs and higher energy prices.

      Moving it by rail or highway is safer than a pipeline? No. Pipelines are the safest and cheapest way to move crude.
      With no pipeline, and given the high cost of extraction, it stays in the ground. Think of it as a rainy day petroleum fund.

      As for higher energy prices, the Bakken shale drillers (of which I have an in-law who is one) wouldn't mind seeing them.

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      • rayg
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 7444

        #18
        I'll bet it will not stop coming in and of course will be trucked in! ...

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        • Roadkingtrax
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2010
          • 7835

          #19
          Originally posted by Johnny P
          It's not about what the crude is extracted from. It's about destroying jobs and higher energy prices.

          Moving it by rail or highway is safer than a pipeline? No. Pipelines are the safest and cheapest way to move crude.
          Did you complain about tarrifs on Candian lumber a couple years ago?

          No.
          "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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          • rayg
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 7444

            #20
            Originally posted by Roadkingtrax
            Did you complain about tarrifs on Candian lumber a couple years ago?

            No.
            What does that have to do with the oil being trucked in? You are just trying to divert the subject matter as usual...

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            • Vern Humphrey
              Administrator - OFC
              • Aug 2009
              • 15875

              #21
              Originally posted by rayg
              What does that have to do with the oil being trucked in? You are just trying to divert the subject matter as usual...
              It doesn't have anything to do with oil being trucked in. It was just a snarky remark.

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              • Roadkingtrax
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2010
                • 7835

                #22
                Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
                It doesn't have anything to do with oil being trucked in. It was just a snarky remark.
                No, it was relevant to the "outrage" felt about the loss of Canadian and US Jobs when we are set to increase our imports of Canadian oil at a rate that will exceed the impact of the XL pipeline project.

                SLA, soft lumber agreements are directly relatable given that Canada owns a great portion of processing mills in the United States because we have cheaper labor. The tariffs from 2017 had a negative impact on that industry...yet it was most certainly applauded here.

                Vern, yours is a snarky remark...but, we both know that.

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                Originally posted by rayg
                What does that have to do with the oil being trucked in? You are just trying to divert the subject matter as usual...
                Was I replying to you?

                What does your comment add to the discussion?
                "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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                • rayg
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 7444

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Roadkingtrax
                  No, it was relevant to the "outrage" felt about the loss of Canadian and US Jobs when we are set to increase our imports of Canadian oil at a rate that will exceed the impact of the XL pipeline project.

                  SLA, soft lumber agreements are directly relatable given that Canada owns a great portion of processing mills in the United States because we have cheaper labor. The tariffs from 2017 had a negative impact on that industry...yet it was most certainly applauded here.

                  Vern, yours is a snarky remark...but, we both know that.

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                  Was I replying to you?

                  What does your comment add to the discussion?
                  The truth!!!!!

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                  • Roadkingtrax
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 7835

                    #24
                    Originally posted by rayg
                    The truth!!!!!
                    Bait.
                    "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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                    • togor
                      Banned
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 17610

                      #25
                      Originally posted by rayg
                      What does that have to do with the oil being trucked in? You are just trying to divert the subject matter as usual...
                      Let's break it down:

                      Trump takes action to raise the price on a Canadian raw material import (lumber)--woo hoo Trump! Taking bold action to protect American jobs! Donny is THE MAN!!!

                      Biden takes action to raise the price on a Canadian raw material import (tar)--Boo! Biden! Making stuff cost more to the American consumer! The guy is a RAT'S RAT!!

                      See it now? Not a deflection at all.

                      Get used to this sort of thing, Ray. Trump was so careless, so inconsistent in his actions, that you will not find a single act by Biden in the coming years that does not have a comparable act by Trump on file.

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                      • S.A. Boggs
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 8568

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
                        It doesn't have anything to do with oil being trucked in. It was just a snarky remark.
                        Better explain this to "them" Vern so they know how to reply, otherwise they will just waste bandwith.
                        Sam

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                        • Roadkingtrax
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2010
                          • 7835

                          #27
                          Originally posted by S.A. Boggs
                          Better explain this to "them" Vern so they know how to reply, otherwise they will just waste bandwith.
                          Sam
                          Please read my reply, otherwise you are demonstrating by example.
                          "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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                          • Johnny P
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 6260

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Roadkingtrax
                            Did you complain about tarrifs on Candian lumber a couple years ago?

                            No.
                            When Canadian lumber sells cheaper in the U.S. than in Canada I could care less.

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                            • rayg
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 7444

                              #29
                              Reminder..... the OP was about oil..Lets stick to the OP...T and RT,, as usually you try to divert from it...

                              Easy to start your own thread on other Canadian raw material imports. like lumber and other products
                              Last edited by rayg; 01-24-2021, 03:24.

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                              • togor
                                Banned
                                • Nov 2009
                                • 17610

                                #30
                                Originally posted by rayg
                                Reminder..... the OP was about oil..Lets stick to the OP...T and RT,, as usually you try to divert from it...

                                Easy to start your own thread on other Canadian raw material imports. like lumber and other products
                                The topic expanded naturally. But if you insist, Biden's Keystone decision is good news for American petroleum producers and the environment and it respects private property rights. Triple win.

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