The DM says 139 cops assaulted in the Capitol riot.. Like to see proof!

[rayg]

If this is true...I'd like to see proof of it and while there is of a couple of actual recorded physical assaults, I have a hard time believing that there were that many officers physically assaulted like that!....A verbal reply or conformation to an officer is not a actual "physical" assault. I'd like to see some proof of what injuries and what they were not just a headline.....

The story also says that it was confirmed that at least 38 Capitol cops have also tested positive for COVID-19 in the nearly three weeks since...I hope they are not including that in the injury account as the officers should have been wearing masks..

This article appears an attempt by the liberal DM to turn people and officers against the right

The article states that 139 cops were assaulted in the Capitol riot - including the officer who died - and

This is the first time officials have offered an exact count of officers injured

In total five people were killed in the riots, including Capitol Police Officer Brian D. Sicknick, who was bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher and later died

More than 150 of the thousands-strong crowd have since been arrested, with more suspects still being sought by federal authorities

At least 31 officers in law enforcement agencies across 12 states are also currently being investigated over their suspect role in the riot

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-COVID-19.html

[togor]

Was wondering when Ray would weigh in on this subject.

The number I had read a few weeks ago was one killed, 50 cops got trips to the hospital.

Correct me if I'm wrong Ray, but your sympathies on this one favor the rioters over the police? I would think the wiser place to draw the line is between the many who were there but stayed outside versus the subset who overran the police.

As to the assertion that the DM is trying to make the right look bad:

1. I think those on the right saying and doing extreme things have that job covered.

2. I don't think the DM has a dog in the US left/right fight. Below is a week old article about NY cops injured in a BLM fight. You'll see the editorial treatment is very much the same. It's just sensationalism, whatever gets clicks.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ters-NYPD.html

[lyman]

assault has a broad definition as well,


I went after a shoplifter years ago,

big old redneck, running across the parking lot, and he dropped his flip phone,
I was on the phone to the police, stopped to pick his up and he turned around, came up to me, and snatched it out of my hand (his phone)

his fingers barely grazed my hand,, but the cops got him, and he was charged and convicted of , assault,

kinda felt bad for the guy, for about a second

[rayg]

[QUOTE=togor;609527]

The number I had read a few weeks ago was one killed, 50 cops got trips to the hospital.


All I said was I would like to see proof of what those injuries were and if they are including the virus ones.. Like some people do.. I do not take news articles at face value and especially those on the DM

[togor]

All I said was I would like to see proof of what those injuries were and if they are including the virus ones.. Like some people do.. I do not take news articles at face value and especially those on the DM

You said a little bit more than that. You suggested that the police casualty numbers were inflated to exaggerate the scale of the conflict, to make the perpetrators look bad. Coming from a pro-police guy that's a pretty amazing claim, in my opinion.

Here is the wiki page for the engagement. The injury counts are compatible with the DM, but the hospitalization number lower than what I thought I read.. I am glad fewer cops needed trips to the hospital, but don't think credit for that goes to the rioters.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_storming_of_the_United_States_Capitol

[rayg]

What..Where did I say anything more like that! Reread my OP and again as what I said was that all I want to see is see is the proof of what those injuries were! And if they are including the virus ones.. Like some people do.. I do not take news articles at face value and especially those on the DM

[lyman]

lots of assumptions in this thread.......

[togor]

What..Where did I say anything more like that! Reread my OP and again as what I said was that all I want to see is see is the proof of what those injuries were! And if they are including the virus ones.. Like some people do.. I do not take news articles at face value and especially those on the DM

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This article appears an attempt by the liberal DM to turn people and officers against the right.

By saying you'd like to see the numbers on police injuries, describing the DM article discussing those injuries as an apparent attempt to make the right look bad, the only reasonable inference is "hint, hint, the numbers of police injured aren't so bad, this thing wasn't so bad". In asserting a hidden agenda by the DM, an equal and opposite hidden agenda is revealed.

On the other hand, maybe the DM is just playing it straight, and maybe you have always been a skeptic regarding inflated injury claims in police/public encounters. Anyhoo, point made, no worries, I won't beat it all the way down to China!

[Vern Humphrey]

assault has a broad definition as well,


I went after a shoplifter years ago,

big old redneck, running across the parking lot, and he dropped his flip phone,
I was on the phone to the police, stopped to pick his up and he turned around, came up to me, and snatched it out of my hand (his phone)

his fingers barely grazed my hand,, but the cops got him, and he was charged and convicted of , assault,

kinda felt bad for the guy, for about a second

Actually, merely threatening is Assault. If you touch someone, that's Battery.

[rayg]

Assault is not battery as Vern said''

"verbal" resistance to an officer is not an actual "physical" battery. DC maybe but battery must involve physical contact!...Other charges like resisting under DC statues could apply..In this case the court determined that the mere touching was a physical battery..

[Vern Humphrey]

Assault is not battery''

Again... "verbal" resistance to an officer is not an actual "physical" battery. DC maybe but battery must have involve physical contact!...Other charges like resisting under DC statues could apply..In this case the court determined that the mere touching was a physical battery..

That's correct -- words can amount to Assault, but there must be physical contact for it to be Battery.

[blackhawknj]

They're probably working on altering the video tapes to show heavily armed "insurrectionists". Good CGI takes time, don't want to do like they did with the Killian Memorandum, try to pass of documents that experts can tell at a glance are bogus.
Get a couple of "insurrectionists" to "confess", then go over their stories carefully for any glaring factual errors. In the 1936 Purge Trial in the USSR one of the defendants said he met with Trotsky's son Lev Sedov in the Hotel Bristol in Copenhagen in December 1932, it was found that the Hotel Bristol closed in 1917 and Lev Sedov was in Paris taking examinations. In the 1937 Trial one of the defendants said he flew to Oslo in December 1935 to meet with Trotsky, Norwegian newspapers revealed that no planes landed at that airfield between September 1935 and May 1936.

[bruce]

Once upon a time I had a contract for a client. It involved a project down wind from a large hog operation. Over the years since, I've always been able to distinguish when I was down wind of similar operations. No matter the map location, owner, project ... it doesn't matter. Such stuff has a smell all its own. There is no mistaking it. Reports of 5 killed, 150 injured, etc. during the Washington demonstration ... bears the unmistakable smell. Someone is putting something out that they call news. But if it smells like and looks like what came out of that hog operation, it is about impossible to pretend that it is not simply the same stuff ... just from a different source whether they call themselves a new service, Capital Police, demokrat spokesman, etc., etc. Sincerely. bruce.