Oregon installs new program to fight 'racism in mathematics'

[sid]

This includes teaching students that there are no right or wrong answers in math. So I suppose that 2+2 no longer equals 4.

Read this. You simply can’t believe what these people are now teaching our kids.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/oregon-education-math-white-supremacy

[dryheat]

Gobbly Gook. Translation: They're never going to learn this stuff, just pretend to teach them.
It's Corporate Code. A way for executive level people to talk to each other(and maybe tell lies) without saying anything that's understandable.

[Fred Pillot]

I like it. It eliminates income inequality. $10,000/year income is equal to a $100,000/year income. Since zeros have no value, that extra zero has no meaning.

[blackhawknj]

Soon we'll have something like the movie version of Fahrenheit 451 where all printed materials are prohibited and learning is by rote and memorization.
In the USSR they channeled the bright students into the hard sciences, isolated them in institutes, kept them away from the hoi polloi. But I suppose that would be considered racist.
In the PRC they tried something like this. It was called the Cultural Revolution.

[dryheat]

Education can fluctuate some. Until it's illegal to be smart, the cream will rise to the top. The dumb people count on the smart people to give them a hand.

[Art]

In the BLM (Marxist) manifesto one of the things it calls for is the abolition of "objlectivity." Sure enough its right there in the article in the OP.

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In the USSR they channeled the bright students into the hard sciences, isolated them in institutes, kept them away from the hoi polloi. But I suppose that would be considered racist.
In the PRC they tried something like this. It was called the Cultural Revolution.

A lot of other countries do this on a more limited basis. A kids career path in Europe is determined largely in middle school. That's the point where the powers that be determine if you're college or trade school material. The fault of that is it doesn't allow for late bloomers.

[togor]

So I read the article, and the links.

I don't know about all of the "white people oppress everybody" stuff, IMO that just gets in the way of the mission.

But I can tell you in over 3 decades on the job, have run into precious few black engineers. It's good paying work, but you just don't see a lot of blacks in it. So what some educators are saying, is: we lose these kids in the middle school years, maybe we ought to try something different. As I see it, they're trying to slip the clutch on these kids a bit, keep some of them in the math game long enough for it to catch. Obviously at the higher levels, calculus is still gonna be calculus. But in the mean time, they're thinking that a math curriculum that was geared for kids in high resource homes with good jobs and maybe a stay-at-home parent needs a rethink for a poor kid with a single parent and maybe a POSSLQ hanging around. Sure a poor-kid-math-genious might overcome such conditions but that leaves a lot of others out.

It may not work, and yes they're laying the white-culture-of-oppression stuff on way too thick, but part of American culture IS to see something broken and try to fix it, right?

[Art]

It may not work, and yes they're laying the white-culture-of-oppression stuff on way too thick, but part of American culture IS to see something broken and try to fix it, right?

I've known some brilliant black kids from my educator days. They almost invariably come from intact families with motivated parents. If you want to fix something that would be a good place to start since about 6 out of 10 black kids come from single family households and most of them come from poor households to boot. Unfortunately with the left that's absolutely off the table. In fact the BLM Manifesto also calls for the dissolution of the nuclear family.

It would also be a good Idea to come down hard against the idea among many black kids in the lower income brackets that if you're academically accomplished you aren't "black" enough.

I got in real trouble with math in school because math is cumulative and if you dig yourself a deep enough hole in elementary and middle school it can be real hard to get out of. Failing the 9th grade because I'd never really mastered (among other things) fractions was a big wake up call. I was able to get it together enough mathematically to graduate high school in four years and finish a college curriculum that was light on math.

For some school strategies that might work see "Stand and Deliver," unfortunately that requires an exceptional teacher in almost every math class in every poor school....so forget I said that.

[togor]

Would BLM be saying that kids living with their mom & dad simultaneously in a household with enough income security so that people can think about things like putting energy into the next generation is a bad idea? A thing to be abolished? I'd need to see the quote.

Or are they saying that this just isn't the reality for too many of the current generation of black kids so we have to identify how to raise this generation within the alternative forms of family structures that *do* exist, instead of telling people that they're doing it wrong because they don't follow the white 1950's model. Fact is, many in the current generation of whites don't follow that model either anymore.

Prior to the 20th century, death stalked everyone at much higher bag rates. Kids ended up with relatives, or worse, in high percentages. Was it right to stigmatize them then? Is it right to do so now?

Added thought: blame the other is a pretty standard device when trying to rally a group. I am not aware of any political force in this country that doesn't dabble in it at least a little bit.

[Art]

Well, Togor, BLM is pretty definitive about the traditional family thing. They are also definitive about reparations for drug dealers.

When I was a child 75-80% of black children grew up in homes with two parents present. The destruction of the black nuclear family corresponds directly to the inability of far too many black children to succeed in the broader society. That is indisputable and has nothing to do with stigmatizing anyone. It has to do with wanting these kids to do better. It has to do with actually trying to reverse the fact that the leading cause of death among young black men is homicide. It has to do with trying to mitigate rampant drug addiction and gang culture. All of which keep black people down every bit as effectively as "Jim Crow." So what's more important,? getting back at whitey or getting ahead. It's been well said that success and happiness is the sweetest revenge.

There is a lot of stuff black radicals talk about that are pure clap trap and completely counterproductive. For example the idea (more pervasive than you might think) that white people develop at a slower rate physically and mentally than black people and have less empathy because they have less melanin. Yep there are people who actually espouse that. When a Biden appointee, Kristen Clark, was called out about statements she made to that effect in her confirmation hearing she essentially said "just kidding" with her fingers and toes crossed I'm sure.

I would like to think that keeping schools closed, which overwhelmingly disadvantages poor kids, especially poor black kids isn't a latent form of racism. Remember George W. Bush - "The soft racism of low expectations."

BLM is a radical Marxist group founded by avowed Marxists. It's mission, along with the rest of the woke new left's agenda, is the complete destruction and reformation of Western Civilization along lines spelled out in the BLM manifesto, which by the way has become increasingly hard to find on line perhaps because too many people have read it. You can still dig it up though, and find plenty of expositions on it.

Finally, we're not talking about the last century here, though I could go on at length about it. We're talking about issues that need to be delt with right now.

[rayg]

BLM is a radical Marxist group founded by avowed Marxists. It's mission, along with the rest of the woke new left's agenda, is the complete destruction and reformation of Western Civilization along lines spelled out in the BLM manifesto,

Well said!!!

[Ltdave]

c'mon man!

poor kids are just as smart as white kids!

[rayg]

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c'mon man!
poor kids are just as smart as white kids!

Well that don't make sense! There's poor white kids also

[Vern Humphrey]

Where I live our minorities are Hispanic, American Indian and Catholics like myself. When I travel and stop at a McDonald's or similar joint, I notice that Black kids are just as dumb as White kids.

[Art]

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c'mon man!
poor kids are just as smart as white kids!

Well that don't make sense! There's poor white kids also

BINGO! The originator of that quote, Joe Biden says things that don't make sense all the time .