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Any mouth breathing moron could have told the city of Minneapolis that defunding the police was a bad move, but when has a socialist democrat ever listened or learned?
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Riddle me this then.....
Why do we read about the Minneapolis PD in the news (in a bad way) and not St. Paul? There's very little difference between the makeup of the two cities. Both have good neighborhoods, and bad. St. Paul might be a bit more blue collar, Minneapolis is a little bigger and has a little fancier downtown. Prince was born in Minneapolis, and Herb Brooks was born in St. Paul.
Point being, there's nothing intrinsic in Minneapolis that makes it ungovernable. But they have had an extremely hard-ass union that was dug in against any reforms. If reforms are finally coming, that will cause some to leave. It's just the way it is when any organization gets a new direction--old farts who don't want to change head for the exits (or are shown them).Comment
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did St Paul go thru the same issues that Minneapolis did?
same press?
same nightly news coverage?
riots?
guessing no,Comment
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You keep trying trying to blame the police union...When you know! it was the city board and their defunding of the police department that caused the problems!Comment
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rayg.....union man?!
My point is, tensions between the MPD union and the city and public predate George Floyd's death. The manner of Floyd's death has brought more force to bear on the reform side.
And as you know, when a bolt won't turn, and won't turn, reach for a bigger length of pipe, a bigger hammer, and be careful when things let loose because that pent-up force might spill over in unexpected ways.Last edited by togor; 02-15-2021, 05:33.Comment
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St. Paul, for whatever reasons, doesn't have a George Floyd on the books. Things over there have stayed sub-critical. You can ask the folks there for the reasons, but one possibility is that the St. Paul mayor, Melvin Carter, is the son of a retired St. Paul LEO. Not that he's a hero to the PD but at times when it matters the lines of communication may simply be better.
Lived in rentals all over the area when I was up there. Put a ton of miles on the freeway system up there as a single guy. That's the problem with the area...anything you might want to do is 45 minutes away in any direction.Comment
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so,St. Paul, for whatever reasons, doesn't have a George Floyd on the books. Things over there have stayed sub-critical. You can ask the folks there for the reasons, but one possibility is that the St. Paul mayor, Melvin Carter, is the son of a retired St. Paul LEO. Not that he's a hero to the PD but at times when it matters the lines of communication may simply be better.
Lived in rentals all over the area when I was up there. Put a ton of miles on the freeway system up there as a single guy. That's the problem with the area...anything you might want to do is 45 minutes away in any direction.
No....Comment
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[QUOTE=togor;610987]rayg.....union man?!
No..I was a director of police services operations and was not a fan of the union I had there. It cost the operation more money due to the union defending poor workers who didn't deserve to be defended for their actions and which cost the tax payers more money then necessary! I support fair management and a fair union but not a union that feels necessary to defend every worker that don't perform just because they are a union member!
Now, I take it you are a union man!Comment
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Unless people actually live in the Twin Cities metro area for a time they won't get the dynamic between Minneapolis, St. Paul, or for that matter, Bloomington, Edina, Woodbury, etc.
Ray the MPD's opposition to reforms coming out of city hall is a matter of record. Since Floyd, morale in the department has dropped. Cops who are used to doing things a certain way are being told to do it differently. Some don't want to get with the new program, but if a new program is what the public wants, then the cops have to get with it, right? That's what you would say if still working your former job.
Apply that same principle to big city schools and see which side of it you come down on. Teacher's union wants to stay virtual, public, city hall, wants in person. Who should get to decide? The union, or the people they work for?
My own feelings on unions are conflicted. I've seen the bad side of them, but I've also come to believe that employers who get a union probably deserve one. And unions have a better track record of raising wages in the lower skilled occupations than any other social movement.Comment
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actually, quite the opposite in my former profession,
non unions stores paid much better than union, even before you took out the dues,
and the retirement benefits (401K etc) were better,
work loads were not any higher, or heavier
teachers unions have become a national joke,
scream for more pay, less classroom time, and yet the results are in a steady decline, and yes, the parents have a part in that ,, but overall the unions have just increased payroll w/o coming up with any plans to improve,, just more dumb it down,
who to decide?? the people that pay the taxes,,,,,Comment
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