To purchase a gun, you'll have to prove your innocence ...

[dogtag]

The democrats are intent on causing the death of the 2nd Amdt
by the thousand cuts method. Here's the latest cut and it's a
fairly deep one - especially the above headline part - about eight
paras down if you don't wish to read it all.

https://freebeacon.com/guns/dems-jumpstart-gun-control-efforts/

I can't see this passing muster, but I didn't think Biden would win either.

[lyman]

The first, extend background checks to 20 days, is just a change in policy,

as it stands now, if you are delayed (in most states) for more than 72hrs, (3 days) the dealer can, legally, release the firearm to you,
here in VA, you had best call the State Police before you do (VSP does the background checks here)
some stores and corporations will not release until they get a clear or approved, now,
ETA, by Fed rule or law, the dealer can legally release a firearm after 3 days if it has not been approved, some will, some will not, as far as dealers are concerned,




the second is basically saying UBC's, as in Universal Background Checks, for everyone,
with out using that term ( as in trying to be sneaky)

in those states the have it now, (PA for handguns, VA for all) the compliance is pitifully low

by low I mean that if Jr wants to sell his shotgun to Bubba, they exchange funds and move on,

[dryheat]

-by low I mean that if Jr wants to sell his shotgun to Bubba, they exchange funds and move on-
Isn't that the way it used to be? Before everyone got to get ahold of guns? We really are living in the past in a modern world. But I like the past.
By-the-bye, people got shot all the time just from negligence. Sloppy gun handling or, ah, stupid people shooting each other.

[lyman]

-by low I mean that if Jr wants to sell his shotgun to Bubba, they exchange funds and move on-
Isn't that the way it used to be? Before everyone got to get ahold of guns? We really are living in the past in a modern world. But I like the past.
By-the-bye, people got shot all the time just from negligence. Sloppy gun handling or, ah, stupid people shooting each other.

it is,

here in Va, there is a list of dealers on the State Police website of those that will do the UBC ,

state law says we can only charge $15,,, (regulating what a dealer can charge for services)


the ATF has relaxed the time limit on paperwork, you can take a week to dispose of the firearm in your bound book (vs 3 days)


direction is for (using dryheat as an example)

dryheat wants to sell
neighbor guy wants to buy
both go to the dealer,
if the dealer is ok with the sell, and doesn't feel it should be denied (gut decision on if the neighbor guy is a felon etc)
then the sale can take place and the BGC can begin,
it is suggested that dryheat stay in the shop until it is submitted, to see it if clears quickly ,

that way if dryheat decides no, or the neighbor guy gets delayed or denied, dryheat still maintains possession and can leave with his firearm (sale canceled)

if neighbor guy is delayed, and dryheat leaves, then the dealer has to (naturally, just like it was the dealers inventory) maintain possession of the firearm until neighbor guy is approved,

if neighbor guy says 'forget it, I'm out of here', and dryheat wants to get his gun back after he (dryheat) has left, then dryheat will have to do the NICS check,,,


meanwhile dealer receives the gun in his bound book, disposes to who ever ends up with it, and facilitates the 4473 and whatever state paperwork that is required,,


here, if everyone is happy, and no delays, it takes about 20-30 minutes, (that the states says I can only charge $15 for this,,,, my shop rate is $75 hr,, and I am cheap)

[togor]

<Sarcasm>

If Virginia kept an online registry of gun owners, then transfers between registered owners could be as simple as a few clicks on a web site that is open 24/7.

</Sarcasm>

[Johnny P]

A registry of all gun owners would be a wish list for the thieves and burglars. Just pick out half a dozen, drive around until you find one where no one is home.

[togor]

A registry of all gun owners would be a wish list for the thieves and burglars. Just pick out half a dozen, drive around until you find one where no one is home.

Hopefully you saw the sarcasm flag?

A registry would be a tempting and lucrative target for hackers for sure. But absent one, in many parts of the country it's a given that there's some kind of firearms in any house anyways, if someone is driving around looking to hit an unoccupied house.

The unintended consequence I see is that if the FTF market dries up, then that drives up the price such that theft, with its risks, becomes more attractive as a means of getting guns. For sure there is no magic bullet.

[lyman]

<Sarcasm>

If Virginia kept an online registry of gun owners, then transfers between registered owners could be as simple as a few clicks on a web site that is open 24/7.

</Sarcasm>

in Va you are only required to Register MG's with the state,

the VSP facilitates the NICS check (called Vchek) but only knows how many Pistols, Revolvers, Rifles, Shotgun or Others that you buy, (no data on the gun in transmitted other than the type)



and the MG registry is on paper, not online

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Hopefully you saw the sarcasm flag?

A registry would be a tempting and lucrative target for hackers for sure. But absent one, in many parts of the country it's a given that there's some kind of firearms in any house anyways, if someone is driving around looking to hit an unoccupied house.

The unintended consequence I see is that if the FTF market dries up, then that drives up the price such that theft, with its risks, becomes more attractive as a means of getting guns. For sure there is no magic bullet.

we have no way to prove one way or the other, but I would bet the sales thru Straw Purchasers is as many as FTF deals , as far as criminals are concerned