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  • dogtag
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 14985

    #1

    Could our well-armed population deter an invasion ? ...

    The Japanese in WW2 figured there'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass
    were they to successfully invade the West Coast. But with today's military
    both feminized and emasculated, would that deter an aggressive Chinese
    military if they were to decide the time was right for an all out assault ?
    There were many such militia groups (partisans) during the war. One
    example would be Tito's. Could it work today and if so, how long could
    it hold out ? My own thought would be - not long, if at all, especially if
    the leftists make inroads into our 2nd amdt right by limiting access to
    ammo or some such.
  • RED
    Very Senior Member - OFC
    • Aug 2009
    • 11689

    #2
    Hell no!!! We would be decimated by by the USA military with all their drones a and high tech intelligence operatives.

    Like it or not the military is under the control of the radical left... Pelosi colluded with the Joint Chiefs that assured her Trump was no longer the CIC... she was!

    Don?t believe that??? Just ask our God and handler. He will tell you the truth... God is dead and Nancy and Schumer share his throne.

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    • pmclaine
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2010
      • 2555

      #3
      Taliban is still holding on.....but the govt doesnt hate them as much as it does Patriots.
      Last edited by pmclaine; 03-16-2021, 01:38.

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      • Major Tom
        Very Senior Member - OFC
        • Aug 2009
        • 6181

        #4
        Our military has been diluted so much the last 20 years that they couldn't wage a decent fighting retreat! Pregnant women are in combat groups right now! Comrade Joe doesn't give a rat's a$$ about our military which is why he sent more troops to the Middlle East to keep a "No mission" appearance there.

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        • lyman
          Administrator - OFC
          • Aug 2009
          • 11297

          #5
          unlike some of you, I have not lost faith in our military,

          leadership may not be what it once was, but the troops are still some of the best in the world,


          re the repelling an invasion, maybe, ,

          all of us behind those blades of grass will be difficult to organize,


          not that I think there will be an invasion in my lifetime, no need to use the military for that,

          remember, Red Dawn was just a movie

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          • blackhawknj
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2011
            • 3754

            #6
            Yes, there are no bad soldiers, only bad officers. In Vietnam we had air superiority, superiority in numbers and materiel, but....
            Rather hard for an enemy to launch an invasion-and sustain it. Remember that June 6, 1944 was the result of TWO years of planning, reconnaissance, logistical buildup, training and it didn't go according to plan.
            After Lexington and Concord Thomas Gage wrote his superiors in London to warn them that the people in Massachusetts showed a rage they never showed against the French and they would need a very large army.
            The Army is spread a little thin right now, and since SecDef Austin's priority is "purging extremists" from the ranks, be very hard to restore morale and esprit.
            The Boers were another good example of a nation in arms, it took the British over two years, 450,000 troops -to the Boers 87,000-to defeat them in 1899-1902, the harsh and brutal measures the British resorted to, the "concentration camps"-left a legacy of bitterness which persists to this day.

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            • Mark in Ottawa
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 1744

              #7
              An interesting historical fact is that after the Pearl Harbor attack, the Canadian Government decided that our West Coast was potentially vulnerable to invasion or at least to raids. We had a very small army and the government was in process of expanding it as quickly as possible for the war against Germany with no real capability to protect the Pacific Coast. They then did two clever things. They set up a reserve naval force of about 50 fishing vessels armed with little more than a radio and a machine gun to patrol the hundreds of small inlets along the coast and call in anything suspicious. More importantly they set up the Pacific Coast Militia Rangers. The Rangers were mostly people who for some reason or other could not serve in the regular army; typically they were too young or too old or had some health limitations. Many were veterans of WWI. Most were people who were familiar with the Coastal forests - lumberjacks, farmers, police, residents, etc. Initially their only uniform was an armband and they used their own firearms. Eventually were equipped with lever action winchesters in 30:30. They were trained to patrol the coastal forests and if necessary to fight a guerrilla war against the Japanese. In retrospect it is clear that an invasion was unlikely but at the time, nobody knew that and the threat was taken seriously. By the end of the war, the Rangers had 150 separate companies and 15,000 members, all in the Province of British Columbia.

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              • rayg
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 7444

                #8
                Great information..Thanks,

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                • JB White
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 13371

                  #9
                  Could our well-armed population deter an invasion ? ...

                  No. Can only delay it for a few days at best. Attrition kills and I doubt the Government would be air dropping supplies to a resistance movement. Our domestic industry wouldn't be able to switch gears to wartime manufacture quick enough anyway.
                  Then there are the politicians who can't do anything without first selling their propaganda to their constitutes...

                  All those stockpiled pallets of ammo in all those basements and garages. Lost in a fighting retreat if not a total route.
                  Hate to say it, but the most dangerous weapons among the civilian populace are turncoats and tattle tales.
                  2016 Chicago Cubs. MLB Champions!


                  **Never quite as old as the other old farts**

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                  • lyman
                    Administrator - OFC
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 11297

                    #10
                    Originally posted by JB White
                    Could our well-armed population deter an invasion ? ...

                    No. Can only delay it for a few days at best. Attrition kills and I doubt the Government would be air dropping supplies to a resistance movement. Our domestic industry wouldn't be able to switch gears to wartime manufacture quick enough anyway.
                    Then there are the politicians who can't do anything without first selling their propaganda to their constitutes...

                    All those stockpiled pallets of ammo in all those basements and garages. Lost in a fighting retreat if not a total route.
                    Hate to say it, but the most dangerous weapons among the civilian populace are turncoats and tattle tales.
                    come on man!!

                    you could be hanging out a window, screaming "Wolverines!!" and applying Rule .303

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                    • Vern Humphrey
                      Administrator - OFC
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 15875

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Mark in Ottawa
                      An interesting historical fact is that after the Pearl Harbor attack, the Canadian Government decided that our West Coast was potentially vulnerable to invasion or at least to raids. We had a very small army and the government was in process of expanding it as quickly as possible for the war against Germany with no real capability to protect the Pacific Coast. They then did two clever things. They set up a reserve naval force of about 50 fishing vessels armed with little more than a radio and a machine gun to patrol the hundreds of small inlets along the coast and call in anything suspicious. More importantly they set up the Pacific Coast Militia Rangers. The Rangers were mostly people who for some reason or other could not serve in the regular army; typically they were too young or too old or had some health limitations. Many were veterans of WWI. Most were people who were familiar with the Coastal forests - lumberjacks, farmers, police, residents, etc. Initially their only uniform was an armband and they used their own firearms. Eventually were equipped with lever action winchesters in 30:30. They were trained to patrol the coastal forests and if necessary to fight a guerrilla war against the Japanese. In retrospect it is clear that an invasion was unlikely but at the time, nobody knew that and the threat was taken seriously. By the end of the war, the Rangers had 150 separate companies and 15,000 members, all in the Province of British Columbia.
                      If the Japanese had sunk our two remaining carriers at Midway, people on the West Coast might well be speaking Japanese -- unless the civilian population fought them off.

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                      • togor
                        Banned
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 17610

                        #12
                        Silliness.

                        If by land it's the Canucks or Mexicans. And they'd have no chance making it a surprise. If by sea then the small matter of sailing across the ocean.

                        Roosevelt in '42, even with comparative command of the seas, knew he had to get ashore well beyond the reach of the Luftwaffe.

                        Guadalcanal was a surprise invasion BEFORE the japs got that Eastern Solomans airfield completed.

                        Midway and Port Moresby were invasions turned back by air power.

                        The American seaborne invasions in the Western Pacific were successful only after years of attrition on Japanese air forces, strategic dominance of the air was established, and a naval aviation strike force of massive scale was assembled, years in the making.

                        Anyone who tries to invade us by sea will have their ships sunk long before they reach US waters. Moreover, who has the amphibious and logistical capabilities to successfully land and resupply?
                        Last edited by togor; 03-16-2021, 12:14.

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                        • Vern Humphrey
                          Administrator - OFC
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 15875

                          #13
                          I gather the Japanese did NOT successfully land on and conquer the Philippines? Or the Dutch East Indies? Or Hong Kong? Or Singapore? Or Guam? Or Burma?

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                          • lyman
                            Administrator - OFC
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 11297

                            #14
                            and the west can only be conquered by sea,, not any air drops,,,,,,

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                            • Vern Humphrey
                              Administrator - OFC
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 15875

                              #15
                              Originally posted by lyman
                              and the west can only be conquered by sea,, not any air drops,,,,,,
                              Which is why I said, "If the Japanese had sunk our two remaining carriers at Midway, people on the West Coast might well be speaking Japanese -- unless the civilian population fought them off."

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