Florida passes common sense college bill

[rayg]

Florida passes common sense college bill

If I understand this law correctly it says in part, that students can question teachers view point with out penality

Florida Senate Passes Bill Promoting ?Intellectual Freedom And Viewpoint Diversity? In Colleges

A new bill protecting ?intellectual freedom and viewpoint diversity? in public colleges and universities in Florida was passed Wednesday by the Florida state Senate.

The House Bill 233 was passed on a 23-15 vote and has already been sent to Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, Tampa Bay Times reported. The legislation will require post-secondary educational institutions to survey students, faculty and staff about their political views and prohibit universities from limiting speech that ?may be uncomfortable, disagreeable or offensive,? according to the document.

https://dailycaller.com/2021/04/07/f...ctual-freedom/

[togor]

So if a calc student argues that the indefinite integral of x^2 is x^7 instead of x^3/3, and the instructor marks it wrong, then the Florida Legislature has the student's back!!!!

He can argue in class until the period is over and the instructor can't shut him up, just because his line of argument is "disagreeable".

Great job, Florida! Make sure the crackpots, pathological contrarians and just plain idiots are at the top of the university food chain. This will definitely make things so much better!

[lyman]

how is that different than a student or professor digging thru 10 yrs of tweets to find a post and take it out of contact and get booted?

[rayg]

So if a calc student argues that the indefinite integral of x^2 is x^7 instead of x^3/3, and the instructor marks it wrong, then the Florida Legislature has the student's back!!!!

He can argue in class until the period is over and the instructor can't shut him up, just because his line of argument is "disagreeable".

I believe you might be taking it to the extreme...But as I understand it, it only allows a student to bring up and discuss anything concerning the subject that is being taught by the professor without consequences.. I'm sure a professor could end the discussion any time they want.. Any way that's how I understand it! Am I wrong?

[Len]

According to Critical Race Theory calculus is a white creation and therefore has an inherent white bias. If the student positing an incorrect answer is non white a white professor must accept it as correct because the professors idea of the correct answer reflects white bias and therefore is incorrect. What does 2+2 equal Winston?

[bruce]

"about their political views and prohibit universities from limiting speech that ?may be uncomfortable, disagreeable or offensive,? according to the document."

What precisely is the problem with this? Has nothing to do with hysterical hype about STEM, etc. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.

[togor]

how is that different than a student or professor digging thru 10 yrs of tweets to find a post and take it out of contact and get booted?

Because the indefinite integral of x^2 isn't anything but x^3/3 + a constant, if we're properly pedantic about it. Take a contrary position and every calculation you make will fail to perform in nature.

I agree that the social sciences, like religion, are burdened by the fact that at some level those fields come down to one opinion versus another. But part of having a faculty is accepting them as guides of opinion. For Florida to decide that the inmates should run the asylum is not the answer.

[rayg]

Because the indefinite integral of x^2 isn't anything but x^3/3 + a constant, if we're properly pedantic about it. Take a contrary position and every calculation you make will fail to perform in nature.

I agree that the social sciences, like religion, are burdened by the fact that at some level those fields come down to one opinion versus another. But part of having a faculty is accepting them as guides of opinion. For Florida to decide that the inmates should run the asylum is not the answer.

How will the inmates run the system in Florida!..Please explain that statement..

[lyman]

you know math is racist,, ,right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETP1mQ7iw1Y

[togor]

How will the inmates run the system in Florida!..Please explain that statement..

Students can provoke any argument they want and claim it's protected political speech.

Anti-intellectual Florida Republican politicians taking their revenge out on the intelligensia. Echos of Mao's Cultural Revolution, except this time it's cadres from the College Republicans attacking the faculty.

[lyman]

Students can provoke any argument they want and claim it's protected political speech.

Anti-intellectual Florida Republican politicians taking their revenge out on the intelligensia. Echos of Mao's Cultural Revolution, except this time it's cadres from the College Republicans attacking the faculty.

one day when you come out of the closet and realize you are a D,, you may look back on stuff you post and laugh out loud,,

[togor]

one day when you come out of the closet and realize you are a D,, you may look back on stuff you post and laugh out loud,,

These are mixed up times....but anyone who thinks that a State Legislature has the key to solve campus speech issues is fooling themselves.

As much as we'd like to think the hard sciences are not plagued by crackpots, it simply isn't true. Science is a human endeavor, and therefore subject to human foibles. So my example of a dispute in calculus class is not as far-fetched as one might think.

[rayg]

Again as I understand it it allows disagreement by a student with out consequences...What's wrong with that? The professor is still in control! Am I wrong?

[togor]

Again as I understand it it allows disagreement by a student with out consequences...What's wrong with that? The professor is still in control! Am I wrong?

"Without consequences" suggests the students are the ones in control now.

Using students to attack the intellectuals from "below" is very much in the totalitarian playbook for undermining the institutions of higher learning.

This is where someone here now posts, with no visible sense of irony, that "these institutions need attacking", followed by me pointing out that once upon a time, Conservatives defended institutions instead of attacking them.

[rayg]

"Without consequences" suggests the students are the ones in control now..

I don't know how you read that into it! It only gives a student the right to question w/out consequences and does not lessen the right of the professor for control...What is wrong with that? Almost sounds like democracy don't you think and not Russia..Lol