Black man, 20, attempting to elude arrest is shot dead by cops

[rayg]

Black man, 20, attempting to elude arrest is shot dead by cops

Here is the BS story by DM...And what do you know, what a surprise there was a warrant for him...The DM says he was pulled over an air fresher but I bet they probably ran his plates and found there was a warrant for him. But if the AC story was true I wonder how big it was and if obstructed his view.. And gee jumps back in his car and tries to get away...And surprise, surprise! ..more riots over this...

Black Minneapolis man, 20, is shot dead by cop after being pulled over for 'air freshener hanging from mirror' - just ten miles from where George Floyd was killed: National Guard is deployed as looting and rioting break out

Daunte Wright, 20, was shot by a Brooklyn Center police officer on Sunday during a routine traffic stop



Brooklyn Center Police officers then tried to arrest him but Wright 're-entered the vehicle'

One officer discharged their firearm, striking Wright while the vehicle continued to travel for several blocks before crashing into another car - Wright died while still inside the vehicle

Wright's mother said her son told her he had pulled over for having an air freshener hanging from rear view mirror, which is illegal in Minnesota

Around 500 protestors took to the streets on Sunday night as they clashed with police outside the precinct

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nneapolis.html

[rayg]

More on the story apparently... the female officer pulled out her real gun and not the taszer by mistake and shot him..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-killing.html

[Vern Humphrey]

More on the story apparently... the female officer pulled out her real gun and not the taszer by mistake and shot him..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-killing.html

I have TOLD them that. In my training days, I studied behavior under extreme stress -- if the taser is about where a gun should be, and if has grips and controls like a gun, someone is going to pull the gun thinking it's the taser.

[togor]

It's clear to me that LEOs are feeling tremendous pressure in some of these traffic stops to immediately secure the situation. I understand the logic of not letting something drag on indefinitely, but at the same time I see that pressure causing mistakes. The training may need to be revised so that the passage of time itself isn't automatically seen as an enemy.

[S.A. Boggs]

Was it a Glock, more AD with this pistol then one cares to think about.
Sam

[JOHN COOK]

Just saw video from officers camera. It shows very clearly that a officer on right of subject has a semi auto on right hip and yellow taser is on left hip. Few second later a hand comes into view pointing a semi auto , in right hand, directly at subject. The first officer is still in view with weapon in holster and taser still holstered on the left side of his body. If the officer pointing the weapon was the shooter and policy is to carry taser on opposite hip of weapon it doesn?t look to good with the story, “pulled the weapon instead of taser”. Times are different now when I policed, I’m puzzled why three maybe four officers, one whose waving a piece of paper around, couldn?t drag his skinny arse out of that car.. I viewed this in stop action , I have this capability.. open for comment...

Added on after original post: TV news you can hear a female voice shouting “taser, taser” and then “oh #### I shot him”.
FWIW ..

John in SC

[Art]

Just saw video from officers camera. It shows very clearly that a officer on right of subject has a semi auto on right hip and yellow taser is on left hip. Few second later a hand comes into view pointing a semi auto , in right hand, directly at subject. The first officer is still in view with weapon in holster and taser still holstered on the left side of his body. If the officer pointing the weapon was the shooter and policy is to carry taser on opposite hip of weapon it doesn?t look to good with the story, “pulled the weapon instead of taser”. Times are different now when I policed, I’m puzzled why three maybe four officers, one whose waving a piece of paper around, couldn?t drag his skinny arse out of that car.. I viewed this in stop action , I have this capability.. open for comment...

Added on after original post: TV news you can hear a female voice shouting “taser, taser” and then “oh #### I shot him”.
FWIW ..

John in SC

This has happened before, unfortunately. Weird things happen under stress, even what can look like very manageable stress. It could well have been a "negligent discharge" and if it was it wouldn't be the first time a cop pulled his gun while he thought he was pulling his taser with catastrophic results.

There must be some way to address this better in training.

Even with that scenario its absolutely negligent homicide at best, second degree murder at worst though I lean to the former.

[Vern Humphrey]

This has happened before, unfortunately. Weird things happen under stress, even what can look like very manageable stress. It could well have been a "negligent discharge" and if it was it wouldn't be the first time a cop pulled his gun while he thought he was pulling his taser with catastrophic results.

There must be some way to address this better in training.

Even with that scenario its absolutely negligent homicide at best, second degree murder at worst though I lean to the former.

Stress can do strange things. When working with flight simulators for the Navy, you have to have two carriers. These are 3-d renderings which are presented to the student. One carrier is as realistic as we can make it. The second one is twice as long, but only half as wide as the first carrier. When the student is on the downwind leg, he can look to his side and see the first carrier, but when he turns on final, the computer switches carriers on him.

You can run plenty of experienced carrier pilots through that simulation and ask them about the carrier. They'll all say the carrier looks fine -- they don't know about the switch. It's clear that what the pilot actually sees on final is a distorted carrier. That's what stress does.

[Vern Humphrey]

This has happened before, unfortunately. Weird things happen under stress, even what can look like very manageable stress. It could well have been a "negligent discharge" and if it was it wouldn't be the first time a cop pulled his gun while he thought he was pulling his taser with catastrophic results.

There must be some way to address this better in training.

The way to address it is to make the taser NOT like a gun -- maybe something like a Chicago Squeezer or a flashlight.

[Art]

The way to address it is to make the taser NOT like a gun -- maybe something like a Chicago Squeezer or a flashlight.

That is an excellent idea.

[dryheat]

Like Vern's description of carrier landing training, when under stress people can reach for answers that aren't real or ignore what their eyes are telling them. I was on a fishing boat about twenty miles out when the carpet started to float near the rear of the boat. For a brief few seconds there were several reasons given why what was happening had nothing to do with sinking. But in this case, the fact that the situation had gone south and the kid was escaping heightened the reaction. The result should be expected. No Tazer excuse. But these days you can't just shoot escaping criminals.

[S.A. Boggs]

Back in 1981 I did the Street Survival training or How to Kill A Cop! @ that time most cops were killed with their own weapon as it was the only one there. We had our PR-24 on our weak side along with our can of pepper spray. We trained for hours on which was what and under duress to induce stress. Regardless of training and training that is consistent accidents can happen. Unfortunately with budget cuts training is the first that suffers and this shows.
If the female officer in question is not tried for capital murder their black population will have an excuse to riot so I expect she will be thrown to the pavement as appeasement. Get out of police work as it is a lose-lose situation for any white person in today's society. When the Centurion is gone the Barbarians will prey on the unarmed population. Then the population will see the need for the Centurion but will the Centurion want to come back and be responsible.
Sam