More BLM protests ...Don't they work!..Oops silly question

[rayg]

Too bad he was shot ...but the bottom line is if he didn't try to get away he would still be alive!

One brain less demonstrator said officer Kim Potter 'committed an act of war' when she shot dead Daunte Wright

"Minnesota cops arrest 24 as they clash with BLM protesters brandishing a pig's head on a stake on fourth night of chaos in wake of Daunte Wright's death

Potter, 48, was on Wednesday charged with second-degree manslaughter for killing 20-year-old Wright

She posted $100,000 bond Wednesday evening and was released from the Hennepin County jail

Shortly after 9pm, police announced over a loudspeaker that the protest in Brooklyn Center was unlawful

The well-before-curfew dispersal order came after state officials said people were throwing things at police and trying to dismantle the fence ? the same reason cited for Tuesday's early order

Shortly before the dispersal order, some protesters threw objects at police, who responded with gas canisters
Some officers could be seen spraying a chemical on protesters who formed a wall with umbrellas

Outside Potter's home in Champlin, concrete barricades and tall metal fencing had been set up"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Minnesota.html

[togor]

The bottom line is he's dead.

He didn't do everything perfectly so a cop shot him.

Kinda the definition of a police state.

[lyman]

The bottom line is he's dead.

He didn't do everything perfectly so a cop shot him.

Kinda the definition of a police state.

ludicrous comment, dontcha think?

you trying to outdo yourself?

[Len]

The bottom line is he's dead.

He didn't do everything perfectly so a cop shot him.

Kinda the definition of a police state.

Hardly the definition of a police state. Police states do not arrest their own members and charge them with 2nd degree manslaughter. A police state will come when the current regime abolishes local police agencies and creates a national police force that is accountable only to Washington.

Children , can you say NKVD, Gestapo , OVRA , STASI...

[rayg]

The bottom line is he's dead.

He didn't do everything perfectly so a cop shot him.

Kinda the definition of a police state.

Oh my God Togor..you are so against the police that you have lost reasoning.. The shooting was an accident and again could have prevented it if he didn't run. Again the officer made a mistake and will pay for..To bad he didn't try to run and we would not be talking about the shooting..I do hope you are only trying to rile up people here and you are not serious!

[Major Tom]

The bottom line is he's dead.

He didn't do everything perfectly so a cop shot him.

Kinda the definition of a police state.

Man, is togor an upright democrat who believes calling anything and everything "racist'!
What that fool did was try to escape! All he had to do was show respect! It is nor a "police state" but the law binding civilization! No law, no safety for anyone! Wake up togor! Even democrats are waking up to the lunacy happening in our Nation!
Again, I call to have togor disposed as monitor!

[togor]

ludicrous comment, dontcha think?

you trying to outdo yourself?

No it's right on the money, if you read Ray's posts.

If the civilian doesn't do everything perfectly, and the encounter goes south, then responsibility passes to the civilian.

What's ludicrous is thinking that this state of affairs is normal, just the price of doing business. I know, it's kinda raw to put it in these terms, but this is the logic conclusion of arguing that "if the civilian had only followed instructions then they wouldn't have been shot." Basically, the argument is that non-compliance in the moment can be interpreted as a threat on the life of the LEO, who can claim that non-compliance could lead to a life-threatening action, and so LEO fear of such a development is justifiable cause for use of deadly force.

[rayg]

Again too bad he was shot ...but the bottom line is if he didn't try to get away he would still be alive! You are trying so hard not answer that simple statement!.

[Johnny P]

Trying to flee from an arrest wasn't exactly close to perfect.

[JB White]

Tog, your words parrot those who lived outside the ghettos and who never spent any time surviving the mean streets. Not much if any everyday real life exposure to the sensitive areas of "culture clash".
I can understand a certain degree of sympathy. Especially when deserving. But constantly chastising one side while glorifying the other no matter the circumstances?
That's wrong and I know you know it. You aren't stupid but you do reflect inexperience. And yet, that is indeed a two way street in itself.

[togor]

Again too bad he was shot ...but the bottom line is if he didn't try to get away he would still be alive! You are trying so hard not answer that simple statement!.

Of course he would have, but in so arguing, you are agreeing with my point:

If a black man isn't perfect in his actions around police, and they kill him, then whatever he did that wasn't perfect is the reason he's dead.

And I am telling you, if that's the argument, then it's no small wonder that the reputation of police is not what it could be.

And we've seen those videos (some of us, not you maybe Ray): civilians keeping their heads while the police are highly agitated and have gone to tunnel vision on the threat, to the point that they don't even realize they are shouting conflicting instructions.

[JB White]

Riddle me this?

It happens to white, brown, yellow, red and olive. So why is all the attention going towards black?
Quote from BLM: " NO LIVES MATTER UNTIL BLACK LIVES MATTER". Said in retaliation to "All lives matter".
How is that not racist?

[rayg]

Of course he would have, but in so arguing, you are agreeing with my point:

Please explain what your point was and how I am agreeing with it? I don't understand!..

[togor]

Please explain what your point was and how I am agreeing with it? I don't understand!..

Ray says: he shouldn't have tried to get away (implying it's his own damn fault he got shot).

togor says: if a civilian isn't perfect in his actions around the police then he gets what he gets and it's all on him.

Different words, but we're making essentially the same observation. The difference is, where I see a flaw in policing (too quick to shoot too often), you see a feature (better to be convicted by 12 than carried by 6).

Maybe we should start a book club?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rise_of_the_Warrior_Cop

[lyman]

No it's right on the money, if you read Ray's posts.

If the civilian doesn't do everything perfectly, and the encounter goes south, then responsibility passes to the civilian.

What's ludicrous is thinking that this state of affairs is normal, just the price of doing business. I know, it's kinda raw to put it in these terms, but this is the logic conclusion of arguing that "if the civilian had only followed instructions then they wouldn't have been shot." Basically, the argument is that non-compliance in the moment can be interpreted as a threat on the life of the LEO, who can claim that non-compliance could lead to a life-threatening action, and so LEO fear of such a development is justifiable cause for use of deadly force.

you are still talking and thinking about this wrong, as I mentioned in another thread,




however fact of the matter is, if you do the right thing when stopped, you stand a very very good chance of living thru it,

if you do something stupid,, you win stupid prizes,,