Brown shot twice not five times by police and as usual protests begin

[togor]

I thought he handled it pretty well.

He broke her arm. He jumps out of his squad and breaks the arm of a 75 year old lady with dementia, all 80 pounds of her.

Then the jailhouse vid showed him and the lady cop mocking the old bird on bodycam replay while she sat in a cell with a broken arm, with no medical check. On that video he braggs "did you hear the pop?" to his fellows when her shoulder lets go. He has since been charged. And the jailhouse vid is on YouTube, not hard to find if you look. Overall, a sadistic POS who had no business putting on the uniform in the first place.

And here's another cohort recruiting for Black Lives Matter.

https://www.newschannel5.com/news/newschannel-5-investigates/you-shouldnt-be-able-to-breathe-officer-tells-man-before-he-dies

Can't blame the media for what these buffoons get caught saying and doing on camera.

Ray thinks I'm anti-cop for having zero tolerance for this kind of unprofessional crap. "The job is hard," I am told. Screw that. Lots of jobs are hard. Is policing important enough that it needs to be done right? Hell yes. It is that simple. Get rid of the bad cops. If the % turns out to be higher than everyone thought, so what.

This second jailhouse vid isn't as individually egregious as the Colorado one, but no one had the wits to say "let him up while he's still breathing". How hard is that? Just dumb.

[rayg]

Ok so Please tell me what other job besides the military has as many injuries and deaths as the police work..

You must spend all day trying to find the very few bad incidents caused by cops! And yes there are some but very very small in comparison to the number of arrests! made! And a lot of them are not recent! but older news and very small number in comparison to that of number of officers injured and duty related deaths. Just during the riots there were approx a thousand officers injured

And the total Line of officer Duty Deaths in 2020 which was 362

[togor]

Saw the vids,

13 of 14 shots fired as the car was headed away from the LEOs.

One neighbor has a bullet hole to fix.

I wonder what the policy is on bystander safety when shooting at a moving target on flat ground like that.

Rules being what they are, I can see why no
charges will be filed against police. But it's another BLM recruiting video nonetheless.

There's so many out there already.

[togor]

Ray,

Stats are a couple years old, but still illuminating.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/01/24/most-dangerous-jobs-25-most-risky-jobs-in-america/41040903/

LEO not the most dangerous job out there. Logging is. As a guy who has dropped his share of trees, I can see it.

2020 was tough on police but Covid-19 was the #1 killer, and now there's the vax. And yet, police are slow to take it.

https://www.wlwt.com/article/police-officers-more-covid-vaccine-hesitant/36493883#

If the reason for that is they are used to danger, then maybe they shouldn't be so quick to cite danger as an excuse for say, bad shoots.

Just a thought.

I'm tough on police, but in a get-better-at-it way, not a go-away way. Huge difference.

[rayg]

2020 was one of the deadliest years for law enforcement officers on record


https://www.lawofficer.com/lodd-reco...%20last%20year.

[rayg]

Togor as long as we are comparing jobs and since you seem to focus in comparing the stats of police work compared to other occupations!..My curious what are the killed and injured stats directly rated to your job? As I think I pretty much know what you do so please so let us know!...Just curious how it compares...

[lyman]

ray,

no disrespect intended for any law enforcement, , however take out the Covid numbers,

or better yet, for a 'fair' comparison, take out all the related numbers going years back,

how may LEO's were killed from performing their duties, as in vehicle, gunshot etc etc,
the hazards so to speak from the job,


I'm also curious of the Death from Covid numbers for other first reponders (EMT's Dr's etc) and how they compare to both LEO and the general population

however, with the already known issues with the numbers and factual reporting, would any of those numbers be trustworthy?

[rayg]

Thought I had posted that in my post..
145 virus
119 non virus

[S.A. Boggs]

ray,

no disrespect intended for any law enforcement, , however take out the Covid numbers,

or better yet, for a 'fair' comparison, take out all the related numbers going years back,

how may LEO's were killed from performing their duties, as in vehicle, gunshot etc etc,
the hazards so to speak from the job,


I'm also curious of the Death from Covid numbers for other first reponders (EMT's Dr's etc) and how they compare to both LEO and the general population

however, with the already known issues with the numbers and factual reporting, would any of those numbers be trustworthy?

There is one thing no one is considering and that is the mental health of all professional of public service who see the worst of us. Ever work on a bloody wreck where there are often just body parts? Have to deal with someone who is in the process of dying, a woman who was violently raped/beaten? The old lady with a broken arm who was knocked down and had her purse violently taken from her? The cop who has to take down a violent thug and then charged for doing it? Black cops suffer from the people they are protecting so they suffer worse then a white cop does.
Togey I believe is an immigrant from Haiti and a person of color from some of what he has offered. I could be wrong in this and Togey won't say. Togey's out look on America will be different then someone from Montana or the Mountains of Appalachia where I live.
Regardless of these realities cops suffer from depression in larger numbers then the general population and self medicate with that which makes the depression worse...ethanol. Often the only friends cops have are other cops as rarely does anyone want to associate with them.
There are bad cops, clergy or any people who deal with the public. @ the clinic we would get a magazine regarding our profession and in one section was the people who were disciplined for misbehavior of violation of code of ethics. Often there were criminal charges along with the violations. Before we condamn go look in the mirror and take a good look!
Sam

[rayg]

Boggs,, I know Togie and he is white and he lives about 50 mls from me in WI and he and I disagree a lot as he is a diehard liberal. Ray.........

[lyman]

There is one thing no one is considering and that is the mental health of all professional of public service who see the worst of us. Ever work on a bloody wreck where there are often just body parts? Have to deal with someone who is in the process of dying, a woman who was violently raped/beaten? The old lady with a broken arm who was knocked down and had her purse violently taken from her? The cop who has to take down a violent thug and then charged for doing it? Black cops suffer from the people they are protecting so they suffer worse then a white cop does.
Togey I believe is an immigrant from Haiti and a person of color from some of what he has offered. I could be wrong in this and Togey won't say. Togey's out look on America will be different then someone from Montana or the Mountains of Appalachia where I live.
Regardless of these realities cops suffer from depression in larger numbers then the general population and self medicate with that which makes the depression worse...ethanol. Often the only friends cops have are other cops as rarely does anyone want to associate with them.
There are bad cops, clergy or any people who deal with the public. @ the clinic we would get a magazine regarding our profession and in one section was the people who were disciplined for misbehavior of violation of code of ethics. Often there were criminal charges along with the violations. Before we condamn go look in the mirror and take a good look!
Sam

nice comments, but you missed my point

[S.A. Boggs]

nice comments, but you missed my point

Wanted to make other's, sorry.
Sam

[lyman]

Wanted to make other's, sorry.
Sam

no need to be sorry, that stuff is real,

I have a friend that retired from the local PD due to the last case he worked,

a group of teen lesbians kidnapped a local girl and tortured and murdered her on a fire road not far from here,

he did 3 tours as SF in VN , and was a policeman since the 70's.,, he said that was enough

[rayg]

[QUOTE=lyman;616591]ray,

no disrespect intended for any law enforcement, , however take out the Covid numbers, /QUOTE]

Not sure if those numbers should be taken out as those 145 police virus numbers counted in Official records of law enforcement departments and agencies are of the officers who have died of Covid-19 and which been determined that they had contracted the virus while conducting official duties.
And those who died after being exposed to the virus on the job are ultimately included as part of NLEOMF's line of duty death toll.

So many officers lost their lives to Covid-19 that the NLEOMF had to create a task force to help verify all the deaths and that they were the result were those officers had had close contacts with people as a direct result of the job! That which the average person doesn't necessary have to experience. I think Trump approved of using those police numbers..

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/12/us/2020-law-enforcement-line-of-duty-deaths-trnd/index.html

Health care workers have the highest recorded virus death counts also because of their job related necessary hands on close contacts with people.

[rayg]

I just reviewed this long thread because it really got involved and I must have missed it before, but Togie said in post #19 that I called Brown a "scumbag, so justice was done".

Be advised I never called him that, all I said was "Justice was done"! I guess I have to carefully read what Togie writes from now on as he seems to add in things he says I said or did, which I never did!!...