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  • rayg
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 7444

    #1

    Is this the end of guessing were the virus came from?

    EXCLUSIVE: COVID-19 'has NO credible natural ancestor' and WAS created by Chinese scientists who then tried to cover their tracks with 'retro-engineering' to make it seem like it naturally arose from bats, explosive new study claims

    An explosive new study claims researchers found 'unique fingerprints' in COVID-19 samples that they say could only have arisen from manipulation in a laboratory

    DailyMail.com exclusively obtained the new 22-page paper authored by British Professor Angus Dalgleish and Norwegian scientist Dr. Birger S?rensen set to be published in the Quarterly Review of Biophysics Discovery
    The study showed there's evidence to suggest Chinese scientists created the virus while working on a Gain of Function project in a Wuhan lab

    Gain of Function research, which was temporarily outlawed in the US, involves altering naturally-occurring viruses to make them more infectious in order to study their potential effects on humans

    According to the paper, Chinese scientists took a natural coronavirus 'backbone' found in Chinese cave bats and spliced onto it a new 'spike', turning it into the deadly and highly transmissible COVID-19

    The researchers, who concluded that COVID-19 'has no credible natural ancestor', also believe scientists reverse-engineered versions of the virus to cover up their tracks

    'We think that there have been retro-engineered viruses created,' Dalgleish told DailyMail.com. 'They've changed the virus, then tried to make out it was in a sequence years ago.'

    The study also points to 'deliberate destruction, concealment or contamination of data' in Chinese labs and notes that 'scientists who wished to share their findings haven't been able to do so or have disappeared'

    Until recently, most experts had staunchly denied the origins of the virus were anything other than a natural infection leaping from animals to humans

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dy-claims.html

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Wuhan-lab.html
    Last edited by rayg; 05-29-2021, 03:47.
  • togor
    Banned
    • Nov 2009
    • 17610

    #2
    The Chinese are fighting like crazy to keep folks from going there to just figure this stuff out based on evidence.

    Which is evidence itself that there is a story there that they don't want to come out. Most likely a cascade of blundering which would be too much to endure given the Asian sensitivity to "loss of face"

    What is this concept of face in China? Here's a simple explanation of China's cult of face with examples of how it has built up or offended.


    We can and should call this out where we encounter it, including at home, where a different bunch of politicians is similarly concerned with keeping another important story buried. That's not a redirect, we can keep bashing the Chinese and Covid, just a reminder that this impulse is hardly unique to the Chinese.

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    • Major Tom
      Very Senior Member - OFC
      • Aug 2009
      • 6181

      #3
      Biden said he will get to the bottom of this! Yeah, right! After collecting millions from China, Biden will do NOTHING!

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      • rayg
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 7444

        #4
        Originally posted by togor
        The Chinese are fighting like crazy to keep folks from going there to just figure this stuff out based on evidence.

        Which is evidence itself that there is a story there that they don't want to come out. Most likely a cascade of blundering which would be too much to endure given the Asian sensitivity to "loss of face"

        What is this concept of face in China? Here's a simple explanation of China's cult of face with examples of how it has built up or offended.


        We can and should call this out where we encounter it, including at home, where a different bunch of politicians is similarly concerned with keeping another important story buried. That's not a redirect, we can keep bashing the Chinese and Covid, just a reminder that this impulse is hardly unique to the Chinese.
        Togor...That was an very interesting and informative link/post.. Thanks for posting it!

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        • Johnny P
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 6260

          #5
          Originally posted by togor
          The Chinese are fighting like crazy to keep folks from going there to just figure this stuff out based on evidence.

          Which is evidence itself that there is a story there that they don't want to come out. Most likely a cascade of blundering which would be too much to endure given the Asian sensitivity to "loss of face"

          What is this concept of face in China? Here's a simple explanation of China's cult of face with examples of how it has built up or offended.


          We can and should call this out where we encounter it, including at home, where a different bunch of politicians is similarly concerned with keeping another important story buried. That's not a redirect, we can keep bashing the Chinese and Covid, just a reminder that this impulse is hardly unique to the Chinese.
          Agree that the Bidens are lying at every corner about their sloppy money trail. Hunter complaining that he had to pay "Pop" 50% of the ill gotten gains. So far the socialist democrats have done a fairly good job of keeping slo joe out of the story, but it is bound to come out.

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          • lyman
            Administrator - OFC
            • Aug 2009
            • 11269

            #6
            I don't think it is just Biden that folks are covering for, if at all,

            there are others that have been connected to the Covid discussions,
            conspiracy theory or not, between Gates, Fauci, his wife, and a few other names there seems to be a tightly woven band of folks that are at the center of it all,

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            • togor
              Banned
              • Nov 2009
              • 17610

              #7
              Originally posted by Johnny P
              Agree that the Bidens are lying at every corner about their sloppy money trail. Hunter complaining that he had to pay "Pop" 50% of the ill gotten gains. So far the socialist democrats have done a fairly good job of keeping slo joe out of the story, but it is bound to come out.
              Serious thread drift. Seems like you and MT are sad that Biden is picking up the Covid trail where the Trump folks left off?

              As for Hunter....do you hear so much as a peep out of Biden on the subject, or is he publicly letting law enforcement do their job? How does that compare with "Witch Hunt" Don?

              Being an elite-level Trump supporter is like playing cornerback in the NFL. To really excel at it, a deliberately poor memory is required.

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              • Johnny P
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 6260

                #8
                Originally posted by togor
                Serious thread drift. Seems like you and MT are sad that Biden is picking up the Covid trail where the Trump folks left off?

                As for Hunter....do you hear so much as a peep out of Biden on the subject, or is he publicly letting law enforcement do their job? How does that compare with "Witch Hunt" Don?

                Being an elite-level Trump supporter is like playing cornerback in the NFL. To really excel at it, a deliberately poor memory is required.
                Oh yeah, and this wasn't?

                We can and should call this out where we encounter it, including at home, where a different bunch of politicians is similarly concerned with keeping another important story buried. That's not a redirect, we can keep bashing the Chinese and Covid, just a reminder that this impulse is hardly unique to the Chinese.

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                • Roadkingtrax
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 7835

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Major Tom
                  Biden said he will get to the bottom of this! Yeah, right! After collecting millions from China, Biden will do NOTHING!
                  Does he have real estate and patent interest there?

                  Oh wait.

                  - - - Updated - - -

                  Originally posted by Johnny P
                  Agree that the Bidens are lying at every corner about their sloppy money trail. Hunter complaining that he had to pay "Pop" 50% of the ill gotten gains. So far the socialist democrats have done a fairly good job of keeping slo joe out of the story, but it is bound to come out.
                  Will there be cannibalistic pedophiles Q?
                  "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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                  • rayg
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 7444

                    #10
                    Originally posted by togor
                    Serious thread drift. Seems like you and MT are sad that Biden is picking up the Covid trail where the Trump folks left off?

                    As for Hunter....do you hear so much as a peep out of Biden on the subject, or is he publicly letting law enforcement do their job? How does that compare with "Witch Hunt" Don?

                    Being an elite-level Trump supporter is like playing cornerback in the NFL. To really excel at it, a deliberately poor memory is required.
                    My God!..I said this to you a number of times before already in that you always seem to bring up and talk about Trump all the time in so many of your posts...He's not even in office anymore, but apparently you can't let go of him. I do understand you didn't like him, but it's obvious you go beyond normal dislike and appear to be still obsessed with him or at least, appear to be!...I personally know of another guy that is the same....Trump must do that to some people, Lol

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                    • lyman
                      Administrator - OFC
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 11269

                      #11
                      Originally posted by rayg
                      My God!..I said this to you a number of times before already in that you always seem to bring up and talk about Trump all the time in so many of your posts...He's not even in office anymore, but apparently you can't let go of him. I do understand you didn't like him, but it's obvious you go beyond normal dislike and appear to be still obsessed with him or at least, appear to be!...I personally know of another guy that is the same....Trump must do that to some people, Lol
                      ray,

                      dontchaknow,


                      Trump caused the virus,
                      too many fast food hamburgers one night and a diet drink,,
                      one fart was all it took,


                      just ask togor, he will confirm

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                      • barretcreek
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2013
                        • 6065

                        #12
                        Next stop. What is Dr. Falsie's role in developing this? War crime.

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