Statues of Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson removed today in...

[sid]

...Charlottesville, Va. As white citizens looked on the Black mayor said this was another step toward removing White Supremacy, teaching history accurately and moving toward income equality.

Of course these are the same things that were done in Nazi Germany. I don't know about you, but this is increasing my feelings of blackness fatigue.

Here is the story:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/robert-e-lee-stonewall-jackson-statues-removed

[BudT]

Removing those statues of two great American patriots and in my opinion National Treasures is a disgrace of monumental proportions. Damn them to hell that did this and those that support it in any way rot in hell.

[lyman]

more like the Taliban or similar than Nazi's,


Charlottesville is about one step right of Mao,
parts of the surrounding area (where the professors live, and parts of wine and horse country) are left of center as well,


the rest is not

[Sandpebble]

Removing those statues of two great American patriots and in my opinion National Treasures is a disgrace of monumental proportions. Damn them to hell that did this and those that support it in any way rot in hell.

Being part of history didn't make those two generals patriots . They wanted to divide the United States and like all losers.... they lost . Just like your boy did.

Frankly it didn't mean chit to me that those statues were there in the first place ..... nor will I be bothered one whit now they are gone

[kj47]

Wonder where the statues are going to be stored.

[togor]

Being part of history didn't make those two generals patriots . They wanted to divide the United States and like all losers.... they lost . Just like your boy did.

Frankly it didn't mean chit to me that those statues were there in the first place ..... nor will I be bothered one whit now they are gone

Paradox....inheritors of the rebel legacy want to keep that memory alive even as they want descendants of former slaves to forget how it was for their ancestors.

If people want to keep the 1860's alive okay but then do all of it.

[S.A. Boggs]

Being part of history didn't make those two generals patriots . They wanted to divide the United States and like all losers.... they lost . Just like your boy did.

Frankly it didn't mean chit to me that those statues were there in the first place ..... nor will I be bothered one whit now they are gone

Many here feel the same way about "our" National Socialist supporters who are "here".
Sam

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Many here feel the same way about "our" National Socialist supporters who are "here".
Sam

Here you are crying over a couple dead Democrats.

[Mark in Ottawa]

A few questions from an outsider:
Were they not traitors to the United States of America?
Did they not lead armies that caused the deaths of many American soldiers?
Should traitors have statues erected to their memory?
Did they not commit treason in order to protect the institution of slavery? Was this a moral position?

[togor]

A few questions from an outsider:
Were they not traitors to the United States of America?
Did they not lead armies that caused the deaths of many American soldiers?
Should traitors have statues erected to their memory?
Did they not commit treason in order to protect the institution of slavery? Was this a moral position?

Answers, given in order.

Q1

https://history.army.mil/html/faq/oaths.html

Those who took an oath to the United States and went back on it can be considered traitors in the eyes of history, so YES.

Q2 YES.

Q3 NO

Q4 The officers were from the upper classes and benefitted from the economic system of the south. Ordinary soldiers, the picture is more complex. There was conscription, or just a strong sense to enter the fight with those from the area. So a Confederate infantry company would not be teeming with slaveholders but neither was it teeming with abolishionists.

Protestant churches split into northern and southern branches over the institution of slavery. When that kind of moral rot overtakes even the churchmen then it hardly seems fair to single out the military. But the cause of preserving slavery, however near or far it was in the minds of Confederate soldiers, was not just in the eyes of history.

[oscars]

Mark: Try this reference out
Atlantic June 4, 2017 “The myth of the kindly General Lee”.

[lyman]

Paradox....inheritors of the rebel legacy want to keep that memory alive even as they want descendants of former slaves to forget how it was for their ancestors.

If people want to keep the 1860's alive okay but then do all of it.

srsly?


you need to study more

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Here you are crying over a couple dead Democrats.

and that is a key point that is overlooked

[togor]

The textbook Lyman "dismissal without explanation". A go-to move when a counterargument cannot be found.

What's the Venn diagram look like of people who want to see Confederate history given proper ongoing respect and people who have heard enough already about the residual effects of slavery as a contributing factor for certain endemic social problems?

[ut1seabee]

The statue of Lewis, Clark and Sacagawea was also removed. I suppose in some way she was exploited. Safe to assume Lewis & Clark were no good. Only a matter of time until Jefferson is called to account, the whole thing being his idea. Not to mention his
transgressions concerning slavery. The possibilities for scapegoats in our history should keep the revisionists busy for quite some time.

[Johnny P]

Marxism at it finest.

Race relations were improving too rapidly, and those that profit from unrest took care of that.