It has occurred to me...

[barretcreek]

That all this incompetence,arrogance and blatant corruption may get Americans out of the apathetic zone and stop thinking of gubmint as a consumer commodity and start using the operator's manual to run the country.

Out in the real world people are very unhappy with what is going on.

[lyman]

hoping you are correct and there is some real hope and change in the mid terms,

the folks in power have been in power for too long,

[Allen]

It's not a matter of who people vote for but how corrupt the system is of voting. So far I don't think any changes have been made and if nothing changes, nothing changes.

[BudT]

What makes you think they can read or understand what they read? Joe read????????????? you got to be kidding.

[togor]

hoping you are correct and there is some real hope and change in the mid terms,

the folks in power have been in power for too long,

There's a Russian mathematician (ethnicity not part of their government) who says we're in for about another decade of this, for the reason that we have an excess of elites, far more than necessary to run things. So what we're seeing is a bitter fight between elites that have power and those who don't. But if we got a taste from 2016-2020 of what the out group can offer, then I'm not impressed. They'd have us all taking prophylactic ivermectin to beat this COVID-19 business.

[lyman]

There's a Russian mathematician (ethnicity not part of their government) who says we're in for about another decade of this, for the reason that we have an excess of elites, far more than necessary to run things. So what we're seeing is a bitter fight between elites that have power and those who don't. But if we got a taste from 2016-2020 of what the out group can offer, then I'm not impressed. They'd have us all taking prophylactic ivermectin to beat this COVID-19 business.

russia is a country, not ethnicity,

2016 happened because the D side was so politically corrupt and inept, that the big shot New Yorker was a much much much, and I add another much, better presidential choice,

much better,




repeat after me,


Hilz was a horrible candidate

[togor]

I'm relating the guy's theory.

And Russian is an ethnicity, no different than Polish, German, French.

If you think otherwise its because you assume everyone has to think like you do. If you go to Europe and explain to a Frenchman that he's no different than a Pole or German he will laugh at you.

Anyways, the theory is interesting. It argues that we spent to much energy sending too many people to fancy colleges, and now we're stuck with the result that we have more highly educated folks than are needed to run things.

So the out group elites formed alliances with non-elites to fight for control of things, because there's nothing else for them to do.

Like I said, he figures ten more years of this.

I'll see if I can track down his name.

[dryheat]

Togors not a perfect idiot, he comes up with interesting stuff that is real. Is there a rule book for moderators? Waiting for it, waiting for it.....
Inbred politics is kind of creepy. Ah, but I hate change.

[dryheat]

It's not a matter of who people vote for but how corrupt the system is of voting. So far I don't think any changes have been made and if nothing changes, nothing changes.

"fixing"(that would be making it fair) voting might not go the way you envisioned. Actually, as naive as I am, I never considered that the vote could be fixed. "the dead vote" just annoys me. I don't think we want voting to get to the molecular. There is so much tech in our world now that somethings need to just be country.
I am just amazed at the ridiculous amount of air time Arizona's vote recount has gotten. Oh, you haven't been watching? Not surprised. Not that you should be.

[Allen]

"fixing"(that would be making it fair) voting might not go the way you envisioned. Actually, as naive as I am, I never considered that the vote could be fixed. "the dead vote" just annoys me. I don't think we want voting to get to the molecular. There is so much tech in our world now that somethings need to just be country.
I am just amazed at the ridiculous amount of air time Arizona's vote recount has gotten. Oh, you haven't been watching? Not surprised. Not that you should be.

I have seen many many dead people on the roster at the voting precincts. Some states do not ask for ID. A person can just merely say they are one of the dead and vote in his/her name, come back later and vote in someone else's name.

What made it bad during the past election was the mail in ballots. People were voting numerous times. The envelope had the voters ID, the ballot didn't. The 2 were separated before counting so again, the voter could vote as many times as they liked. There was no record kept as to who mailed in their ballots.

Then there was known corruption during the counting/gathering of the ballots plus some say the machines can be hacked even from overseas and countries such as China don't want a Republican in office.

[dryheat]

Your abundance of evidence is depressing. So, a person can state that they are dead and vote? It's worse than I thought. Thankfully we have the electrical college to shunt the voltage. Mail in voting probably needs to have some work on the rough edges. It's a Iphone world and it's going to have some rough spots too. I don't know about you, but I'm out of the loop. It will get smoothed out, we don't have to worry about it.

[Allen]

Yes, where ID isn't required they can claim someone who is dead. On the mail in ballots a person can ask for numerous ballots (to include other people in their households who vote), then request more ballots under a different name (dead or made up). Again, when received, the ballots are separated from the envelopes. The envelopes have the mailers address and "name" and is thrown away. The ballots have no personal info. No records kept as to who mailed them in or how many.

The mail in voting was primarily set up and advanced due to the Covid-19. The process worked so well for the dimocrats last election that they want to keep this practice in place forever. That's why THEY are the ones pushing for the vaccinations and news of the covid variants to keep virus alive.

They want the covid to be the most important news item there is. It gets them elected and makes a smoke screen for all of bidens daily blunders.

As far as the states doing a recount, (hand count) if you'll notice, only the democrats are opposed to it------why? And even with a hand count the illegal duplicate ballots will still get counted again but may prove the machines were hacked.

[togor]

Your abundance of evidence is depressing. So, a person can state that they are dead and vote? It's worse than I thought. Thankfully we have the electrical college to shunt the voltage. Mail in voting probably needs to have some work on the rough edges. It's a Iphone world and it's going to have some rough spots too. I don't know about you, but I'm out of the loop. It will get smoothed out, we don't have to worry about it.

Suggest you take claims of voter roll irregularities from Allen with a grain of salt.

For one thing, he lives in Alabama, a state run by Republicans who very much believe in tight controls over voter rolls.

For another, an obvious point: the same name may apply to both the dead and living.

Lastly, people do die and the burden of proof is on Allen to show that his friends and neighbors who run Alabama elections are so slipshod in their methods, and that Alabama voting law is so full of loopholes that not only are the dead voting but they're deciding elections.

Trump lost on the same physical ballots that Republicans largely won. Anyone who saw the man in action those years understands just how plausible that outcome is. I mean, why doctor just the Presidential selection when there are so many other elections on those same ballots to claim?

[lyman]

I'm relating the guy's theory.

And Russian is an ethnicity, no different than Polish, German, French.

If you think otherwise its because you assume everyone has to think like you do. If you go to Europe and explain to a Frenchman that he's no different than a Pole or German he will laugh at you.

Anyways, the theory is interesting. It argues that we spent to much energy sending too many people to fancy colleges, and now we're stuck with the result that we have more highly educated folks than are needed to run things.

So the out group elites formed alliances with non-elites to fight for control of things, because there's nothing else for them to do.

Like I said, he figures ten more years of this.

I'll see if I can track down his name.

ethnic vs national pride is different,


the different ethnicity in Euro or Russia, just like in the middle east, persia and indian subcontinent have nothing to do with borders or country names,

you should know that

[togor]

ethnic vs national pride is different,


the different ethnicity in Euro or Russia, just like in the middle east, persia and indian subcontinent have nothing to do with borders or country names,

you should know that

No idea why you bring "pride" into this.

I'm telling you that the guy I am thinking of is Russian, living in the west. How/why you're getting stuck on that tangential point....I have no idea.

Stubbornness for it's own sake maybe.

BTW, Russian is both an ethnicity and a country according to Wikipedia. I look forward to reading your edits there, setting those guys straight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Russia