We slunk off during the night leaving our people behind ...

[dogtag]

First it was Bagram, now Kabul. It just seems not only embarrassing, but
humiliating. Who will ever trust us again ? We deserted the Vietnamese.
The Kurds and now the Afghans. Our military leaders have turned to jelly
and the White House itself must be remembering how proud it was when
Teddy was there.

[togor]

Even worse,

Roosevelt adamantly refused to prioritize a restoration of the British Empire as a strategic goal of the United States during WW2.

[BudT]

Yep, run away like the chicken chit they are. I'm so glad I'm not serving under this bunch of cowards.

[Vern Humphrey]

Does anyone see the irony of a Democrat using an example of a 20th Century Democrat President's strategic failure to justify the failure of a 21st Century Democrat President?

[togor]

Does anyone see the irony of a Democrat using an example of a 20th Century Democrat President's strategic failure to justify the failure of a 21st Century Democrat President?

The problem with your post is that you're not willing to defend your position once someone starts to poke at it. So you might as well just bail right now.

Biden has been bashed for not keeping the Trump timetable (without explanation of what difference that would have made), for leaving altogether, for leaving Afghanis behind, and for bringing too many Afghanis out.

DT seems to take the position that we shouldn't have left, hence the reference to the British Empire. But his is the minority view overall in the country, and maybe even here.

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Yep, run away like the chicken chit they are. I'm so glad I'm not serving under this bunch of cowards.

My guess would be that the feeling is mutual.

[lyman]

The problem with your post is that you're not willing to defend your position once someone starts to poke at it. So you might as well just bail right now.

Biden has been bashed for not keeping the Trump timetable (without explanation of what difference that would have made), for leaving altogether, for leaving Afghanis behind, and for bringing too many Afghanis out.

DT seems to take the position that we shouldn't have left, hence the reference to the British Empire. But his is the minority view overall in the country, and maybe even here.

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My guess would be that the feeling is mutual.

you keep wanting to compare the past president to the current one and indirectly place blame on the past in doing so,

those comparisons are just word salad, they mean nothing,

The Plan, or The TimeTable, have been in Biden'[s control, under his watch, on his table, whatever you want to call it, since Jan 20 or so,,

plenty of time to prepare, yet they did not,



but you and the rest of the D's keep on wanting to deflect the blame, and failure

[Sandpebble]

First it was Bagram, now Kabul. It just seems not only embarrassing, but
humiliating. Who will ever trust us again ? We deserted the Vietnamese.
The Kurds and now the Afghans. Our military leaders have turned to jelly
and the White House itself must be remembering how proud it was when
Teddy was there.

You're still a British citizen ... aren't ya ?

Didn't you also serve in the same army that tossed the Jews to the Arabs back in 1948 ? ... just askin

[togor]

you keep wanting to compare the past president to the current one and indirectly place blame on the past in doing so,

those comparisons are just word salad, they mean nothing,

The Plan, or The TimeTable, have been in Biden'[s control, under his watch, on his table, whatever you want to call it, since Jan 20 or so,,

plenty of time to prepare, yet they did not,



but you and the rest of the D's keep on wanting to deflect the blame, and failure

I thought you encouraged people to see the big picture?

Yet here you are insisting that people neck down their view of Afghanistan to only things that happened since January 20, 2021. And above all else, nobody under any circumstances should examine anything that happened in the 4 years immediately prior to that date.

Your best argument for that would be that nothing of consequence happened in those 4 years. Which is the same as admitting that '45 was a fart in the wind. (Something to keep in mind for 2024 maybe.) But of course that isn't true. Trump did a deal with the Taliban and said nice things about them.

As for Biden, now, he is by-and-large willing to own, and live with, his decision. So let's see what happens like grownups. Most people agree that getting out was the right move. Many people wish it could have been done more cleanly and completely. Nobody has a persuasive case that it could have been done with no mess whatsoever.

[lyman]

I thought you encouraged people to see the big picture?

Yet here you are insisting that people neck down their view of Afghanistan to only things that happened since January 20, 2021. And above all else, nobody under any circumstances should examine anything that happened in the 4 years immediately prior to that date.

Your best argument for that would be that nothing of consequence happened in those 4 years. Which is the same as admitting that '45 was a fart in the wind. (Something to keep in mind for 2024 maybe.) But of course that isn't true. Trump did a deal with the Taliban and said nice things about them.

As for Biden, now, he is by-and-large willing to own, and live with, his decision. So let's see what happens like grownups. Most people agree that getting out was the right move. Many people wish it could have been done more cleanly and completely. Nobody has a persuasive case that it could have been done with no mess whatsoever.

my neck does swivel left and right, and I do turn now and again to look behind me, but my vision is generally forward,

by your comments, I should basically decide what I will have for dinner, which direction I travel, and what brand of Toilet Paper I buy based on what would Trump do,

or what Trump did,


it truly does not matter,

you keep focusing on that one tree in the forest that passed months ago, and not look at the now, recent past or ahead at what Biden has (or has not done)

not sure if that is because you don't want to claim your choice, or are afraid of what he may or may not do,

we are out, biden was in charge when that happened, the buck stopped there but he also blamed others, and he screwed up the exit,

can't get more clear than that

there is no best argument about the past 4 yrs, because what happened in the past 4 yrs does not matter,

if you were awake, you would recall the Biden did every thing he could to cancel out the past 4 years,


so who cares what Trump, Obama, Bush 1 or 2, FDR, Adams or even Washington would have done, ,it matters not


meanwhile,, that gold Trump Tower tattoo on your forehead,, does it light up at night?

[lyman]

seems the DailyFail is evening reporting the inept way this was handled, and now Biden was trying to put a spin on it?



WWTD? who cares,,, what did Biden do? read the article,


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-advance.html



and there are reports from the Admin that he may grant aid to the taliban,,,, yep, sent them money etc,,,

[togor]

Is 100K plus evacuees in 2 weeks a screw-op?

Depends on who one asks.

[dogtag]

How long before he has the Taliban visit the White House ?
Maybe even Biden will stop short of a ticker tape parade for them.

[Roadkingtrax]

How long before he has the Taliban visit the White House ?
Maybe even Biden will stop short of a ticker tape parade for them.

They already turned down Camp David with Trump.

[lyman]

They already turned down Camp David with Trump.

but Biden's folks have already suggested they may give the taliban aid,,,,,

[Roadkingtrax]

but Biden's folks have already suggested they may give the taliban aid,,,,,

In exchange for getting safe passage after the deadline? Yeah, that's how that country operates.