Was the 2020 election stolen or did Biden actually win ? ...

[togor]

just 50?

Unsure how many electoral votes are found in the miscellany. DC has 1? PR? Guam??

Point is made though....each state running its own election is a firewall against the kind of en masse election shenanigans that the poor loser Trump claims.

He lost the way he won, by narrow margins in a handful of states. Time for EVERYONE to accept that and for some to move past being all butthurt about it.

[dogtag]

he did,

and he was incorrect,

however, if I am not mistaken, the territories etc and even Wash DC, get to vote

If that's known as the District of Colombia - they don't get to vote but they have a rep (Norton is it ?)

[lyman]

If that's known as the District of Colombia - they don't get to vote but they have a rep (Norton is it ?)

wrong there Sir dogtag

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_voting_rights

they have voted solid D for the past 15 elections or so,



the other territories cannot vote for President,

so if I do my math right,, there are 51 elections,,,,

[dogtag]

Sir Dogtag. I like that. About time I had some respect.

BUT, they don't have voting rights in Congress. Read your own link.
Without voting rights, what good is it ? It's like going to an orgy when you're impotent.

[Johnny P]

Each state running it own election prevents cheating? Makes as much sense as Biden explaining the theory of relativity. The cheating happens at the precinct level. A handful of precincts counting Biden ballots over and over was all it took.

[Roadkingtrax]

Yet Trump won by a much smaller margin and its fully supported? What a conspiratorial bunch.

[lyman]

Sir Dogtag. I like that. About time I had some respect.

BUT, they don't have voting rights in Congress. Read your own link.
Without voting rights, what good is it ? It's like going to an orgy when you're impotent.

the thread is about Presidential elections, not Congressional,

you pulling a togor and changing the direction when proven wrong?

and they do have a rep,, just not an elected one that does anything

[dogtag]

I don't care about being wrong. I've been wrong before. Big deal.
I didn't realize when I started this thread that you had limited it's scope.

[lyman]

I don't care about being wrong. I've been wrong before. Big deal.
I didn't realize when I started this thread that you had limited it's scope.

no worries on my end,, but the question asked was answered, the other tangent has a different answer,



smart thing to do, but nobody wants to do it, is to give the District back to Md,

[Art]

Yet Trump won by a much smaller margin and its fully supported? What a conspiratorial bunch.

Not really though the difference doesn't matter much. In the electoral college Trump was put over the top by about 80,000 votes in three states, and Biden by about 50,000 votes also in three states. A difference of 30,000 votes more or less in presidential elections in this country is very little, in fact its very little in some state gubernatorial elections.

Interestingly, in the 2020 popular vote Donald Trump got more votes than any presidential candidate in history except.......Joe Biden.

Biden is president today, fair or foul, mostly because of COVID.

[Roadkingtrax]

Biden is president because Trump lost, Covid being just one reason for sure.

[togor]

Each state running it own election prevents cheating? Makes as much sense as Biden explaining the theory of relativity. The cheating happens at the precinct level. A handful of precincts counting Biden ballots over and over was all it took.

You're dismissing out of hand one of the driving reasons for Federalism in the minds of the founders, just to try to score points in an obscure forum.

No question giving the states sovereignty over their affairs thwarts Federal overreach. This is by design.

[Vern Humphrey]

Each state running it own election prevents cheating? Makes as much sense as Biden explaining the theory of relativity. The cheating happens at the precinct level. A handful of precincts counting Biden ballots over and over was all it took.

Exactly right -- ten years as an Election Commissioner taught me how porous our system in. And the Democrats are working day and night to make it more porous.

[togor]

Exactly right -- ten years as an Election Commissioner taught me how porous our system in. And the Democrats are working day and night to make it more porous.

Not everyone lives in your home state. In mine they don't talk about these kinds of problems.

[Roadkingtrax]

Not everyone lives in your home state. In mine they don't talk about these kinds of problems.

They don't have former political candidates publicly lamenting their loss there too?