In the clinton fiasco, there were..

[jjrothWA]

studies on how the Services Non-com's would be hesitant on firing of US citizens.

With the Vidmann's and Milley's showing their colors, would that be true now?

[togor]

Which Clinton fiasco? There are so many!!!!

Military was nowhere to be seen on 6-Jan.

However, if ANY armed extremists try to topple the government, I expect the government to ably defend itself.

As Churchill pointed out, those who take up arms against the state can expect to be fired upon.

Let us hope we get through the current times without it coming to that.

[Johnny P]

Looks like Hillary has given up on being president and just letting it all hang out.

https://nypost.com/2021/08/26/hillary-and-bill-clinton-spotted-in-the-hamptons/

[Vern Humphrey]

Is that Hillary or an escapee from the fat farm?

[lyman]

Vindmann has turned on Milley,

[Roadkingtrax]

Vindmann has turned on Milley,

Not sure why, Vindmann broke channels, Gen Milley did not.

[lyman]

Not sure why, Vindmann broke channels, Gen Milley did not.

don't think he agrees with Milley supposedly giving China a promise of a call before any supposed missle attack

[togor]

don't think he agrees with Milley supposedly giving China a promise of a call before any supposed missle attack

Yeah that caught my eye too.

[Roadkingtrax]

Yeah that caught my eye too.

Follow the process. Look up the strategic dialogue agreement.

This was all Miller directed, Milley is not a new private.

https://www.defense.gov/Explore/News...communication/


In August of 2017 (i.e. under Trumps presidency) the US and China signed the Joint Strategic Dialogue Mechanism which allows the US Joint Chiefs to communicate directly with their counterparts in the Chinese Ba Yi to manage and negotiate crises, deescalate tensions, and coordinate operational considerations in an effort to avoid unnecessary conflict. Milley reassuring his Chinese counterpart that the American government is stable and functioning normally and their military intelligence about us planning an attack against them is erroneous is certainly within the realm and scope of that mandate. Milleys statement that if we were going to war with China he would call them and give them advanced warning is also presumably in keeping with the Laws of Armed Conflict and Customary International Humanitarian Law (and by extension, US Law):
Rule 20. Each party to the conflict must give effective advance warning of
attacks which may affect the civilian population, unless circumstances do not
permit.
As an example of that in US policy, US Army Field Manual 27-10 States "The officer in command of an attacking force must, before commencing a bombardment, except in cases of assault, do all in his power to warn the authorities.?
Milley certainly fits the bill as an officer in command of an attacking force, and in the event of a nuclear strike it would certainly qualify as a "bombardment".
As CJCS, its also a literal procedural requirement per the SIOP that nuclear strike orders be transmitted to Milley. Its hard to say theres something illegal or inappropriate about stating to the others involved to "follow the process. follow the procedure."

[BudT]

Vindmann has turned on Milley,

This is one piece of chit turning on another piece of chit, Vinny is still a low life and doesn't deserve any trust nor would I believe anything he says.

[Roadkingtrax]

This is one piece of chit turning on another piece of chit, Vinny is still a low life and doesn't deserve any trust nor would I believe anything he says.

You lack a fundamental understanding in these matters. Please educate yourself.

[lyman]

Follow the process. Look up the strategic dialogue agreement.

This was all Esper directed, Milley is not a new private.

https://www.defense.gov/Explore/News...communication/


In August of 2017 (i.e. under Trumps presidency) the US and China signed the Joint Strategic Dialogue Mechanism which allows the US Joint Chiefs to communicate directly with their counterparts in the Chinese Ba Yi to manage and negotiate crises, deescalate tensions, and coordinate operational considerations in an effort to avoid unnecessary conflict. Milley reassuring his Chinese counterpart that the American government is stable and functioning normally and their military intelligence about us planning an attack against them is erroneous is certainly within the realm and scope of that mandate. Milleys statement that if we were going to war with China he would call them and give them advanced warning is also presumably in keeping with the Laws of Armed Conflict and Customary International Humanitarian Law (and by extension, US Law):
Rule 20. Each party to the conflict must give effective advance warning of
attacks which may affect the civilian population, unless circumstances do not
permit.
As an example of that in US policy, US Army Field Manual 27-10 States "The officer in command of an attacking force must, before commencing a bombardment, except in cases of assault, do all in his power to warn the authorities.?
Milley certainly fits the bill as an officer in command of an attacking force, and in the event of a nuclear strike it would certainly qualify as a "bombardment".
As CJCS, its also a literal procedural requirement per the SIOP that nuclear strike orders be transmitted to Milley. Its hard to say theres something illegal or inappropriate about stating to the others involved to "follow the process. follow the procedure."

presumably if the hiccup, or could be,

I had heard that he got marching orders to do nothing Trump said to do , those orders supposedly came from Pelosi, and he had to get her approval on all of it,

my source is not verified, and I don't have a link,
so take that with a 5lb bag of salt,

there is fukkery afoot in the entire matter on both sides,

[togor]

In fairness to Milley, he's seen Trump in action up close,

and we have not.

I'll leave it for others to judge, and by others, I mean people directly involved at that level.

[lyman]

In fairness to Milley, he's seen Trump in action up close,

and we have not.

I'll leave it for others to judge, and by others, I mean people directly involved at that level.

LOL

you claim to know Trump inside and out, and reminded us of it every day,



every


day,

[togor]

LOL

you claim to know Trump inside and out, and reminded us of it every day,



every


day,

My guess is Trump is an unholy fright in the situation room, but Biden, et. al. don't need to lean on my opinion to sort out how their generals acted in the previous administration. I have no problem admitting that.

But I can easily believe Trump put scores of officers in positions they never thought they would see. And not in a good way.