What is so wrong with providing a ID that is accepted every were else?

[rayg]

What is so wrong with providing a state provided DL or other ID that is accepted every were else? There are easy ways to get them

What is so hard in the US to get an ID? Check out the group of lefty women in the photo who pushed to defeat the law..In my opinion these type of women are one of the biggest danger to our country.

North Carolina judges strike down state's voter ID law after blasting Republican-backed plan as racist attempt to keep black voters away from polls: GOP vows to appeal

Two of three judges at Wake County Superior Court in Raleigh declared the December 2018 law unconstitutional

They said it had been rushed through, and deliberately picked-on black voters, who are more likely to vote Democrat

Republicans have blasted those assertions, and insisted the law was designed to boost voter confidence in elections

The categories of qualifying IDs were greatly expanded compared to the 2013 law to include college student and government-employee IDs
Free IDs also were made available, and people without IDs can still vote if they fill out a form

Republican lawmakers say they plan to appeal the verdict, but it is unlikely the law will be re-implemented before the November 2022 midterms


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...er-ID-law.html

[Vern Humphrey]

You need a picture ID to open a bank account, buy guns and ammunition, buy tobacco and alcohol, pick up scheduled prescriptions and on and on. But somehow it's racist to require a picture ID to vote?

[rayg]

You need a picture ID to open a bank account, buy guns and ammunition, buy tobacco and alcohol, pick up scheduled prescriptions and on and on. But somehow it's racist to require a picture ID to vote?

And to prove you are a US citizen in voting for who will be running our country is the most important of all!

[Roadkingtrax]

Corporations run the country.

[togor]

Whenever this subject comes up I think about all of those absentee ballots from soldiers in the United States Army that helped tip the election to Lincoln.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...war-180976091/

Without question the soldiers voted overwhelmingly for Lincoln.

And what is interesting is that fraud, the reason cited today, was not an issue then. What was argued is that it gave political advantage to one side at the expense of the other.

In short, when Republicans saw advantage in absentee voting, they favored it. Presumably now they are against it for the reason that they see disadvantage in it. And in 1864....no photo IDs!!

Those were more honest times. These days the issue has to be wrapped up in the false piety of "election security".

[togor]

The other thing I've noticed is that those tight ID laws are completely ineffective at their stated purpose, which is to reaffirm in the public's mind the integrity of elections by reducing the potential for fraudulent outcomes.

Look at Arizona. It's a GOP state. They lost a close one there and to hear the GOP tell it people are printing up ballots as if they were those fake covid vaccine cards. The fact that Arizona Republicans throw their own election laws under the bus just because of a tough loss tells everyone everything they need to know about what is really going on.

[lyman]

you party is all in favor or no voter ID because it favors them,


I would prefer a system that favors the American Voter

[Vern Humphrey]

Interesting that fraud was not a part of the soldier vote in the election of 1864. An officer with a "galvanized yankee" regiment (Confederates who enlisted to fight Indians in order to get out of POW camps) wrote how he and his fellow officers opened all the envelopes, and if a soldier had voted "wrong" they convinced him to vote "right."

When a man who perpetrated voter fraud openly boasts about it, you can hardly claim there was no fraud!

[togor]

you party is all in favor or no voter ID because it favors them,


I would prefer a system that favors the American Voter

It's not my party but I agree with you that the non -GOP party happens right now to be in the position of less red tape when it comes to ballot access. In part no doubt because they believe it doesn't hurt their chances of winning.

An important difference is how the two parties react when their side loses a close race.

What would be interesting is if anyone had a counter example, where a party holds to its position on ballot access, even when those "principles" are costing it power. Such an example I believe will be hard to find.

There have been times in the past (1864 obviously but not just then) when the GOP thought improved ballot access helped them. As someone who believes larger turnout is just healthier for the country than low turnout, I hope the GOP can yet come back around to that position in my lifetime.

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Interesting that fraud was not a part of the soldier vote in the election of 1864. An officer with a "galvanized yankee" regiment (Confederates who enlisted to fight Indians in order to get out of POW camps) wrote how he and his fellow officers opened all the envelopes, and if a soldier had voted "wrong" they convinced him to vote "right."

When a man who perpetrated voter fraud openly boasts about it, you can hardly claim there was no fraud!

The issue is not whether there is fraud or irregularities from honest mistakes, but if those irregularities rise to the level of wrongly deciding the election. You're a historian, was 1864 wrongly decided due to fraud? Should fear of fraud have been used to deny United States Army personnel the ballot?

These are the important questions. How do your years of study answer them?

[rayg]

Voter ID helps prevent fraud in US elections and helps prevent non US citizens from participating in the choice of our representatives! How can any US citizen be against that?

[Vern Humphrey]

Voter ID helps prevent fraud in US elections and helps prevent non US citizens from participating in the choice of our representatives! How can any US citizen be against that?

Only if they want to steal elections!

No one has been able to explain why -- if you need a picture ID to buy guns, ammo, liquor, tobacco, open a bank account or board a plane -- somehow a picture ID for voting is somehow objectionable.

[BudT]

No voter ID is a easy path to steal elections, you know man like the Hair sniffer did........stole the election.

[togor]

Voter ID helps prevent fraud in US elections and helps prevent non US citizens from participating in the choice of our representatives! How can any US citizen be against that?

Ray. It's not just IDs. Those are just one piece of the red tape strategy.

Question: where does the GOP love red tape?

A1: at the unemployment claims office.

A2: in the voting booth.

Vern is passing on the question of whether or not the 1864 election was wrongly decided with absentee ballots and ID rules that would set his hair on fire.

Seems to me that voting is a fundamental right, even a civic duty, even as others equate it to buying booze and cigarettes. Just crying "fraud" isn't a good enough reason in my opinion to bring on the government red tape.

As discussed, in the old days, the parties were somewhat more honest about their intentions, both ways.

[rayg]

[QUOTE=togor;621717]Ray.
Question: where does the GOP love red tape?

A1: at the unemployment claims office.

A2: in the voting booth.

Tell me how needing a ID to vote is red tape!

[lyman]

[QUOTE=rayg;621723]

Ray.
Question: where does the GOP love red tape?

A1: at the unemployment claims office.

A2: in the voting booth.

Tell me how needing a ID to vote is red tape!

the democrats want no ID so it is no accountability,


show us another country that does not require voter ID