Polexit

[dryheat]

The polish officials say they don't want to leave the EU but they don't like being pushed around either.

-France says such an exit is now a "de facto risk". Late on Friday the French and German foreign ministers rebuked Poland, saying EU membership relied upon "complete and unconditional adherence to common values and rules" and this was "not simply a moral commitment. It is also a legal commitment".-

[togor]

Letting the former Warsaw Pact in was a mistake.

For one thing it spooked the Russians, which is always a formula for trouble.

For another, those countries are used to single-party dictatorships running the show, know very little about the modern idea (invented in Britain but really perfected in the USA) of a loyal opposition that challenges the majority but doesn't try to blow up any system of government it cannot control.

A Pexit, Hexit, etc. may be a great idea.

[kj47]

If Poland pushes back on some of their commitments, what would be the reaction against Poland: World Court, Military intervention or nothing?

[pcox]

Germany could always invade and set things right.

[togor]

If Poland pushes back on some of their commitments, what would be the reaction against Poland: World Court, Military intervention or nothing?

Right now Poland is a net beneficiary of redistributionist policies run out of Brussels. Misguided European Liberalism would be a good thing to call it. Specifically, the far right government uses EU funds to prop up it's support and squeeze it's political opposition.

Now folks in Brussels are going "hey wait a minute, that's not what the money is for."

The Polish government of course wants the free money to keep coming in.

I take the view there's no such thing as free money, and if German, Danish, Dutch, French, Belgian taxpayers don't feel like propping up the Polish government, then they shouldn't be forced to.

[dogtag]

Poland and Hungary are merely trying to keep the garbage out.
They don't wish to suffer our fate.
They might be better off dumping the EU and going back to Russia

[togor]

Poland and Hungary are merely trying to keep the garbage out.
They don't wish to suffer our fate.
They might be better off dumping the EU and going back to Russia

Hot button issue for you perhaps but not relevant to the current dispute, which is about Poland's courts, hand-picked by the government, declaring they have the right to rip up EU law they don't agree with. I'd turn off the taps too if I was in Brussels.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/polish-constitutional-tribunal-some-articles-eu-treaties-unconstitutional-2021-10-07/

BTW, Brexit in no small part was the English specifically wanting to get the Polish garbage out of Britain.

Now poor Boris is discovering that nobody left on the island is all that keen on working the so-called sh*t jobs that nonetheless keep the place going.

[dogtag]

Many of those (Garbage) Poles' Fathers were fighter pilots in the RAF
in the battle of Britain. I think they earned their place.

[togor]

Many of those (Garbage) Poles' Fathers were fighter pilots in the RAF
in the battle of Britain. I think they earned their place.

Not according to your former countrymen.

These Poles came to the UK on the Open Border Express, showing up in jobs left and right, to the great annoyance of the English.

Brexit was a response, not to immigration from the former Empire, but to the job seekers from S & E Europe.

Ironic that the English, who went so many places uninvited, are themselves now obsessed with keeping others out of their lands. At least the countryside in Scotland is scenic.

[lyman]

when I was in London back in 2008, most of the bar and wait staff (but not all) were from warsaw pac countries,

one pub I follow on instagram, seems to have gone back to all English wait staff ,