How the hell can you 'Forgive' two punks who murdered your Mother ? ...

[dogtag]

What happened to fury, anger,, a thirst for vengeance, an eye for an eye ?
Has our male youth been dumbed down to the point where nothing
upsets them ? Even the murder of their Mother ? Is this an offshoot of woke
or is it some kind of transgender tolerant thing ?
Whatever it is, it's a mystery to me as I can't even imagine my reaction if
someone had killed my Mother except it would have involved hate not forgiveness.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...h-teacher.html

[togor]

Christianity 101. The real stuff, not the fake Mega-Church Preacher-in-a-$5000-suit kind.

Not too late for a remedial course if this one really sticks in your mind.

[dryheat]

It takes real guts. I like to think about how I would chop off one finger at a time. You know, Taliban style. Then you read the stories about forgiveness and it gets you all choked up. If you get rolled over, then you got rolled over. It's all ying and yang. Don't spring up waving your sword.

[Art]

Christianity 101. The real stuff, not the fake Mega-Church Preacher-in-a-$5000-suit kind.

Not too late for a remedial course if this one really sticks in your mind.

Correct.

I remember a Methodist preacher talking about his younger days when he was on a circuit. He said that on a circuit you learn stuff about people like who has the best coffee. Well there was an old lady who was a member of one of the little churches on his circuit and the old girl made great coffee. One day when he stopped by she told him about an old man who appeared on her doorstep, he looked in distress and kept wringing his hat in his hands. She asked "can I help you?" The old fellow replied "thirty years ago I murdered your husband, I came here to ask you to forgive me." The old lady then went back to sipping on her coffee. The preacher didn't think it was right to let a story like that just sit so he asked the woman what she told the fellow. He said she sat up ramrod straight and emphatically declared "I said I'd never forgive him" and took another sip. The preacher, his name was McClain then told her "Honey, you've got to forgive him" to which she replied "why do I have to do that?" McClain's answer - "Because if you don't you're going to hell, it's in the book."

Yup, it's in the book, its binding if you're a Christian. Tough stuff. Mt. 6:14-15 & 18:21-22, Luke 6:37 and 17:3-4 among many others.

[dogtag]

I guess I'm like Uncas. I don't believe in turning the other cheek.

[Vern Humphrey]

I guess I'm like Uncas. I don't believe in turning the other cheek.

Oh, I'll forgive -- after I've rendered him incapable of doing injury to anyone else.

[bruce]

A very close girlfriend was attacked in a building one afternoon. I heard about it when I got on campus later that afternoon. I grabbed a maddock handle out of the back of the truck and went head hunting. Figured I'd turn the other cheek later on. Good friends stopped me. Told me a brother pastor had stopped the attack with extreme prejudice. Praise the Lord. No idea what happened to the man. Campus police were not much back then. Sorry. But that's the way it was. Idiots beating on girls didn't get much attention. All kinds of excuses offered. I married that girl a couple of years later. Haven't thought of that fellow until I read this post and thread. Can't say I was much inclined to forgive him that afternoon. Am glad less angry fellows slowed my roll. It would have been real bad for a guy. And, it'd for sure have really messed up things for me and my future wife.

A while back I listened to a documentary program about the truth and reconciliation commission. Also listened to a similar program detailing how folks put their lives back together after that little bit of civil unrest in Rwanda that the UN just could not seem to define as a genocide. Very impressed with the way folks interviewed talked about what happened and what they had done to try to find a way to live without being consumed by hatred and anger. Some of those folks still lived in the little villages and towns where the atrocities occurred. Oddly, family members of those guilty of the genocide lived in these same places. Remarkable program. I am not sure I could be so gracious. Sincerely. bruce.

[togor]

Well that's the whole point of the religion, to summon the help of a higher power to extricate one's self from the unquenchable fires of hatred and retribution.

I would put it differently than the preacher in Art's story. Hell isn't a sentence down the road for a temporal rules violation. Hell is now, and perhaps forever, being locked in that vortex of hatred and dispair.

[fguffey]

Well that's the whole point of the religion, to summon the help of a higher power to extricate one's self from the unquenchable fires of hatred and retribution.

While on this forum I know I have offended members based on their responses. There was a time when I would say "please forgive" after that I shortened the request to "forgive". I was convinced there were Christians on this forum because they spent a lot of time spouting scriptures; not one time did anyone reply with: 'I forgive you', not my problem and I wondered if they understood the consequences. They die and they go up and knock on the door and then someone says "Who's that knocking at my door?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re61B8sKQWk

And then the voice ask about forgiveness, you did not forgive ol?' Guff, getting in is all about forgiveness, you did not forgive him and now I will not forgive you.

We all have to do it once and some of us have to do it twice.

F. Guffey

[Major Tom]

Christianity 101. The real stuff, not the fake Mega-Church Preacher-in-a-$5000-suit kind.

Not too late for a remedial course if this one really sticks in your mind.

The Bible says "an eye for an eye"
BTW, Biden makes a mockery of his 'Catholic faith"!

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I guess I'm like Uncas. I don't believe in turning the other cheek.

Same here! Anyone who does harm to my family will eventually face me with malice in my heart!

[togor]

MT,

In Christianity, the New Testament supersedes the old.

[kj47]

Don't matter. After repercussion, there MAYBE forgiv.ness

[dogtag]

It's lucky our forgiveness believers weren't in charge on November 7 1941

[fguffey]

It's lucky our forgiveness believers weren't in charge on November 7 1941

I do not agree; the day before we could not declare war on Germany or Japan.

But at the end of WW1 all (most) of the allies wanted their money back and the Germans found that to be impossible. With a little forgiveness we have to consider their was a possibility Hitler would have been an artist.

F. Guffey

[bruce]

With a little forgiveness we have to consider their was a possibility Hitler would have been an artist. Without doubt. Of course, if Helene Hanfstaengl had just left him to himself, he'd have done the job way earlier. Would have been so much better for everyone. Sincerely. bruce.