Big Brother ATF is collecting gun owner records ...

[dogtag]

What they're doing is illegal but the gun grabbers are good at that
because they never get to face the music. So, this anti gun stuff
under Biden will get worse until they find an excuse - violent crime
which they encourage to try confiscation on whatever scale they
think they can get away with. Why else would they be doing this ?

https://freebeacon.com/biden-administration/biden-admin-amassing-millions-of-records-on-u-s-gun-owners-amid-new-crackdown-on-firearms/

[togor]

You yourself DT have written that some people shouldn't have guns.

[lyman]

so,

scanning that ariticle,

the big deal is that FFL's have to keep records for ever,, not just 20 yrs, correct?

[dogtag]

The law as of now (to my knowledge) is that Dealers destroy their purchase records after 20 years.
If the go out of business before that then records go to ATF.
Biden wants records kept forever

Leastwise, that's the way I read it

[lyman]

The law as of now (to my knowledge) is that Dealers destroy their purchase records after 20 years.
If the go out of business before that then records go to ATF.
Biden wants records kept forever

Leastwise, that's the way I read it

dealers can,

not all do,

we didn't, when I closed out dad's license we turned everything in, 4473's, copies of form 3's 4's etc

found out later talking to a ATF guy I know that retired, it was helpful to them and the estate of another customer we had


guy was a collector, had a metric crapton of stuff, including a good pile of NFA stuff,
only thing is , he records at home were not that great, or they could not find where he put them
and he was also involved in another shop, silent partner type stuff,

dude went to the SAR show in Az, and one the way home, stopped at the post office and mailed his guns back to himself, then went into the desert and kilt himself,

the bound book and form 3's and 4's helped the ATF figure out what he had,


seems the NFA branch and the Registry were a bit fubar, on a lot of things, (supposedly improved now)



so think of it this way,

when has the Gov't ever done anything right? or efficiently?

do you think that since they have difficulty with something as simple as the NFA registry,, that they can have an effective and efficient registry for all the rest?


edit to add, I have almost 10 years of records in my shop,

I don't deal much with new stuff, (neither did Dad)

I've sent in paperwork from inquiries exactly 2 times, for traces, one on each license,

[dogtag]

Years ago in a local store that was mostly fishing stuff I spied an exceptional
1871 Mauser. I bought it and even though I explained to the dummies that it
was not only black powder but way before 1898, they made me fill out the form
anyway and wait ten days. If I wanted the rifle, which I did then I had to go along.
I bought a Buck Frontiersman at the same time - at least I didn't have to wait for that.
Place closed about 6 months later.

[barretcreek]

I'm thinking two approaches. Does ATF want to organize this by brand and serial number to facilitate traces of weapons used in crimes? Fool's errand but sounds nice to the media trash. Or do they want to organize the listing by purchaser and how many guns has one bought in (time period). Can't say I have ever disposed of a 1911, but I uh, have a couple. Working overseas I only sold through dealers but consignment sales weren't recorded for a long time. Couple of trades at shows and less than a half dozen to people I knew. So ATF wants to know where is this Dan Wesson I bought in 1978 which has never come up on their radar?

Dealer in SC tried to b.s. me a Marlin 1894CL 218 was an antique (priced accordingly). "Oh so there's not any paperwork, right?"