Any firearm not registered is illegal ...

[dogtag]

That gun you bought back when you could pay for it and walk out with it
would now be considered illegal because it's not registered. It used to be
that records could be kept for only so long before they had to be deleted,
but I'd bet the farm records are now kept, period. The slow encroachment
on the rights guaranteed by the 2nd Amdt continues unabated. A nice
up to date list of who owns what is a prerequisite to taking it away.

[bruce]

Of course. Never any doubt about it. The camel doesn't get in the tent all at once. It starts with the camel's nose. Sooner or later, the tent gets taken over by the camel. So it goes. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.

[togor]

Think of gun registration/confiscation the way you think about climate change, DT.

[dogtag]

Climate change is simple. The glaciers are melting so eventuallky they'll be gone.
Nor all their piety or wit can conjure back a single glacier.

Sorry Omah.

[lyman]

registration issues in Cali?


no changes here in Va and no State registration unless you have a MG

[Johnny P]

Global warming has been happening since the last ice age ended. The end of gun rights is just beginning. At least Slo Joe's first pick as head of the ATF was finally told to go home. By picking the most anti-gun ownership person possible, you know Slo Joe's handlers intentions.

[togor]

DT's argument is right out of the cold war. I know it well because I was raised on it from a pup.

So DT, a couple of points.

The old ideas as you know when that if the lists were in hand, then when the Bolsheviks took over, they could just go door-to-door collecting the guns. There are a few problems with that. First, that you will find enough Bolsheviks still around to take anything over larger than the city of Santa Monica. Second, that the lists that the government would assemble from old 4473s would be any good. Third, the assumption that going door-to-door to take guns by force, with bad lists, would be anything but a giant clusterf*ck with massive blowback. The idea is a throwback to an earlier, less complicated era, when people were more inclined to follow government instruction.

If the government in 2021 wants to make a rough guess as to how armed up a particular citizen is, they will check the person's online and credit history. Just assuming everyone has something, never mind the details, seems a good place to start.

From that perspective, IMO, putting old 4473s into an electronic database is a waste of time for law enforcement. There are so many legal ways that guns can be transacted outside that system that it hardly seems worth the effort. The only thought is that warehousing paper costs money too. If they want to put those records on hard drives so they can get rid of the paper, that makes some sense. One thing about the government is that it even costs time and effort to throw something out.

[Major Tom]

DT's argument is right out of the cold war. I know it well because I was raised on it from a pup.

So DT, a couple of points.

The old ideas as you know when that if the lists were in hand, then when the Bolsheviks took over, they could just go door-to-door collecting the guns. There are a few problems with that. First, that you will find enough Bolsheviks still around to take anything over larger than the city of Santa Monica. Second, that the lists that the government would assemble from old 4473s would be any good. Third, the assumption that going door-to-door to take guns by force, with bad lists, would be anything but a giant clusterf*ck with massive blowback. The idea is a throwback to an earlier, less complicated era, when people were more inclined to follow government instruction.

If the government in 2021 wants to make a rough guess as to how armed up a particular citizen is, they will check the person's online and credit history. Just assuming everyone has something, never mind the details, seems a good place to start.

From that perspective, IMO, putting old 4473s into an electronic database is a waste of time for law enforcement. There are so many legal ways that guns can be transacted outside that system that it hardly seems worth the effort. The only thought is that warehousing paper costs money too. If they want to put those records on hard drives so they can get rid of the paper, that makes some sense. One thing about the government is that it even costs time and effort to throw something out.

HolyMoly! I agree with Togor! Guns I bought back in the early sixties (some with no serial numbers) I have sold or traded. Good luck finding any of them!

[dogtag]

A large percentage of gun owners have never fired the gun they own
and would meekly hand it or them in if ordered.

[togor]

A large percentage of gun owners have never fired the gun they own
and would meekly hand it or them in if ordered.

Got anything to back that claim up? This isn't Britain.