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  • dogtag
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 14985

    #1

    Did Alec Baldwin kill that Woman intenionally ? ...

    I have to admit that I'm extremely suspicious considering
    his pathetic attempts to avoid responsibility for the SAA
    going bang. He first said he didn't pull the the trigger then
    said the hammer slipped off his thump or whatever digit
    an idiot might use. When that happened the gun fired.
    Now all here know full well that can't happen because
    the loaded chamber would not have been in battery
    (if that's the term) aligned with the barrel.
    So, when the script did not call for pointing the gun at
    the Woman, why did he ?
    Why did he cock the hammer ?
    None of the experts and obviously the media seem to
    have no idea how a single action revolver works otherwise
    his dumb explanations would have been laughed at.
  • Allen
    Moderator
    • Sep 2009
    • 10583

    #2
    I don't know about his particular script but sometimes scripts do call for blasting directly at the camera for effect. Shooting at the camera of course is shooting at the camera man too.

    Did he do it on purpose? I doubt it, too many people around and a 2nd person was injured.

    As far as making excuses, blaming every one and every thing but his self, that's just how arrogant Baldwin is.

    There will be no criminal charges and Baldwin knows it. He should just fess up and admit neglect, stupidity and irresponsibility and get it over with.

    Baldwin will only be out some money over this. The dead cinematographer leaves behind her child, family, career and life because of him.

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    • Major Tom
      Very Senior Member - OFC
      • Aug 2009
      • 6181

      #3
      Civil suit by family?

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      • togor
        Banned
        • Nov 2009
        • 17610

        #4
        He was probably diddling with it like a kid and it went off and I would say he feels very bad about it. But whether or not the firearm is capable of doing what he says it did will be easily verified through direct inspection. So I wouldn't worry too much about what he says.

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        • Allen
          Moderator
          • Sep 2009
          • 10583

          #5
          Originally posted by Major Tom
          Civil suit by family?
          There will be plenty of lawsuits, mainly centered around negligence, and there should be.

          When the lawsuits started pouring in that's when Baldwin lawyered up and started giving interviews to defend himself.

          Again, Baldwin will be out some money but probably no criminal conviction. Afterall, he and Hollywood have the news media in their pockets.

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          • dogtag
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 14985

            #6
            The simple fact is, he cocked the hammer, pointed it at the Woman and pulled the trigger.
            Now, unless the revolver is faulty, there's no other explanation. That's the way SAs work.
            Maybe there's more to he and the victim he didn't want known.
            And what were live rounds doing on a movie set ?
            Agatha Christie would have loved this plot.

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            • Vern Humphrey
              Administrator - OFC
              • Aug 2009
              • 15875

              #7
              First of all, he slip-fired the gun. That's a well-known technique -- Jesse James was partial to it. He even had a gun with the trigger and sear removed so it always functioned that way.

              What Baldwin did was pull the trigger FIRST. With the trigger back the sear did not engage any of the notches on the tumbler, and when he released the hammer, it went forward and the gun fired.

              Secondly I doubt he meant to kill her -- had he intended to shoot her, he would have missed by several yards.

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              • dogtag
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2009
                • 14985

                #8
                But he said he didn't pull the trigger. He also said he would never point a gun at anybody.
                It seems he did both. He fanned the hammer - how did he know how to do that ?
                I just have a suspicious nature regards politicians and crummy actors.

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                • pcox
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 386

                  #9
                  If the script called for firing at the camera, a remotely operated camera would have been used, neither the camera man nor the cinematographer would have been behind the camera. Whether he meant to shoot her or not is irrelevant, he did shoot her and will never get out of that. Did he do it on purpose? Absolutely, he pulled the trigger with the muzzle pointed towards the woman.

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                  • Allen
                    Moderator
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 10583

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
                    had he intended to shoot her, he would have missed by several yards.
                    +1

                    That's what he should have said in his interview instead of "I didn't pull the trigger".

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                    • PWC
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 1366

                      #11
                      Just picking up SAA, the natural feel of holding it puts your finger on the trigger, unless you consciously don't. If the hammer is not cocked, there is little danger, but safety has been violated. Even very slight pressure on the trigger will unlock the sear making the gun unsafe. The act of pulling the hammer back COULD cause the hand and trigger finger to grip the gun tighter. Hammer and trigger safeties are defeated. Quarter inch to 3/8" will not cause the cylinder to index beyond primer and bullet being able to function. Even if the hammer is not at full cock, releasing the hammer can cause primer ignition.

                      End result has been well documented.
                      Last edited by PWC; 12-10-2021, 06:33.

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                      • RED
                        Very Senior Member - OFC
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 11689

                        #12
                        There are similar things about the Baldwin shooting and the Wright fiasco. Both shooters did really stupid and asinine things.

                        Have you ever made a stupid mistake? Have you ever had a negligent discharge? xxxx happens and the female cop knew instantly she had screwed up. Baldwin does not to this date think he made any mistakes or did anything stupid.

                        It breaks down to liberal thinking vs conservative thinking. No where in human history has a liberal ever confessed to have done stupid sh!7.
                        Last edited by RED; 12-10-2021, 08:12.

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                        • dryheat
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 10587

                          #13
                          The woman lost it and embarrassed herself. Doesn't the Taser look and feel a little like a Glock? If that's what she was carrying.
                          Nearly everyone I know personally has had an AD at some point, me included. One guy is an instructor. He has a technique of breaking in a pistol by dry firing it a lot. Get's to be a thoughtless routine. Then one day it was loaded. No one got hurt because he wouldn't point a gun in anyone's direction under any circumstances.
                          Like I mentioned before; it doesn't matter how a non shooter Hollywood actor handled the piece- it should be made safe at all times. It's a movie set, but these are fools making a "Western".
                          Kind of like a traffic accident. There can be a 20/80 or 40/60 percentage of blame. Baldwin will get about 10%. Someone on that set should get some serious probation.
                          Remember the guy who was making a Utube vid and shot himself drawing a pistol? One of our buddies at the Gun Show shot himself exactly the same way. Listen closely, there's an AD going off as we speak.
                          Last edited by dryheat; 12-10-2021, 08:50.
                          If I should die before I wake...great,a little more sleep.

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                          • Vern Humphrey
                            Administrator - OFC
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 15875

                            #14
                            I have done a lot of research into behavior under stress -- a person who is really stressed directs almost all their attention to one thing, and can easily make mistakes outside the envelope. If there's a think sorta like a taser, and it's somewhere near the taser, the odds are pretty good a stressed cop reaching for the taser will get the gun instead. This isn't the first time this has happened, either.

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                            • Allen
                              Moderator
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 10583

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
                              had he intended to shoot her, he would have missed by several yards.
                              NOW, they're saying she was only 18" in front of the gun so apparently she wasn't behind the camera.

                              Still believe your remark above.

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