Kim Potter found guilty. She should have got a medal ...

[RED]

The country has changed but I wonder if you can understand that if all you think you see are "socialist democratic run cities" with no clear conception of what you even mean by that.

Right now people in cities are having conversations about what kind of policing they want. You would deny them this right? Wow, what a believer in self-governance you are!

One thing that I don't think we're going to hear as much about in 10 years is the "warrior cop" model. That was something cooked up by consultants and sold primarily after 9/11. We're moving past it, I hope.

Wow? so you believe the reason Blue states that has had Democrats at the helm for 30 years or more and have booming numbers of crimes including murders, robberies, and carjacks is because patriotic, American loving people are at cause?

Wow, you have given away any pretense that you love America.

Hate and burn, twist and turn?

[togor]

Wow? so you believe the reason Blue states that has had Democrats at the helm for 30 years or more and have booming numbers of crimes including murders, robberies, and carjacks is because patriotic, American loving people are at cause?

Wow, you have given away any pretense that you love America.

Hate and burn, twist and turn?

LOL the only twisting here is by you, twisting my words around because you hate the fact that they can't be refuted any other way except to try to make it seem like I said something that I did in fact not say.

You can try but I will call you on it every single time.

1. The country is changing: TRUE

2. People in cities are right now having conversations about what kind of policing they want: TRUE

3. The "warrior cop" model is taking a lot of heat right now: TRUE

That's all I said and it's all true. Anything you read in beyond that is from you not me.

[lyman]

LOL the only twisting here is by you, twisting my words around because you hate the fact that they can't be refuted any other way except to try to make it seem like I said something that I did in fact not say.

You can try but I will call you on it every single time.

1. The country is changing: TRUE

2. People in cities are right now having conversations about what kind of policing they want: TRUE

3. The "warrior cop" model is taking a lot of heat right now: TRUE

That's all I said and it's all true. Anything you read in beyond that is from you not me.

the Blue or Dem run cities comments are true,

the fact that crime is up in these areas, and suddenly at levels not seen in 20 yrs is also true

there is a direct correlation between the social and police policies and rules in those areas that have caused the crime numbers to go up,

do the people want to decide what kind of policing they want, absolutely
however, have not some areas,, that went full or damn near full 'reform' recently made the news for wanting to suddenly hire on a pile of police officers?
after they effectively ran off a pile of them?

in some of the Defund cities,, did the city council etc decide they needed paid and armed body guards? (as in paid by the city)


you post may be true, to an extent, but it also shows a very shallow thought process ,

things happen for a reason, often those reasons come from policies and such enacted by politicians that think they are doing good,, yet have just put the pebbles in place that have snowballed into large, very large issues that are rolling downhill at a pretty good clip

those big snowballs seem to be happening mostly in the Dem controlled cities as mentioned,

[Vern Humphrey]

Crime is going up due to Democrat policies and attitudes. Nancy Pelosi says she doesn't know why crime is going up. She should look in the mirror to see one of the people responsible -- but do mirrors show her reflection?

[dryheat]

I just watched a documentary/story about four guys that "broke" wild mustang horses and rode them from Mexico to Canada. The documentary part was about the problem with wild horses. In Nevada the mustangs have to comingle with ranchers who struggle to raise cattle in basically a desert. Some law passed back in the seventies prohibits killing wild horses, but the land can barely sustain them. When there is a water shortge(drought) the ranchers are required to remove there stock so the horses can survive. Of course huge amounts of science has been done and it shows the land can handle X number of horses. Let's say it's ten thousand(I'm going somewhere with this that pertains to the thread).

But the horses number 28,000. The herd grows at the raise of 15% a year. So they starve. They have been known to eat each other's tails and manes. No one likes that so a few thousand are taken off the land and kept in, let's call them sanctuaries. There is an adoption program but it's never going to be enough. So, they live and die in pens and we pay for it.

But try and do something sensible like cull the herd and You Know Who goes nuts. Protests. Actually interference. Teary eyed women. Really angry women and guys. With no knowledge or real facts to back them up they insist on a Hands Off policy. It's a constant battle between folks who know what needs to be done and big hearted people who don't know what they are talking about.

There's the similarity.

[Art]

The police are part of the warrior class, they just are. That's what annoys the do gooder wing of the lefty movement.

Unlike the military who in the right circumstances can kill anyone wearing the wrong clothes on sight; the police have to show restraint. That's a good thing. However..the police have guns, handcuffs, sticks, tasers and stun guns for a reason. When they use them its never pretty. The not pretty part is more likely to be caught on video these days, and when the "wrong" person is on the receiving end of the use of force it can be a hard day for the cop involved even if he's ultimately shown to have acted in an appropriate manner.

Dryheat's wild horse analogy is pretty on point. Wild horses (an invasive species by the way) have a fan club, the fan club is vocal and actually can be destructive. Killing an invasive hog is a virtue, killing an invasive horse is a sin.

[barretcreek]

Wild Horses.
I've mentioned being involved at the local level in some endangered species politics. The Western Governor's Association and U.S.F&W. Service both have a list of "Literature Cited" pertaining to this bird. WGA list has a half dozen articles relating to destructive impacts of wild horses on habitat. U.S.F.W.S doesn't think those are worth discussion.
Point being none of the policing discussion talks about the elephant. Roughly 3% of the demographic is involved in about 50% of homicides either as doer or doee.