What is a riot? defined

[blackhawknj]

When we do it, it's a riot. When they do it, it's a protest.

[Roadkingtrax]

When we do it, it's a riot. When they do it, it's a protest.

No,they're both idiots.

[togor]

What Trump told his people was:

I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

When he said fight he was talking about using their 5th Amendment rights to peacefully and patriotically oppose the largest theft and robbery in all of history.

There was 2-400 thosand people in DC that day. 2-4 hundred of those present didn?t do as Trump asked but as many as 399,600 did.

Hate and burn, twist and turn?

Trump said many things that day. It's important that you don't just read into them the mildest of possible interpretations and disregard the other possibilities, because clearly a good many who were there that day took his words more aggressively.

Remember the gambit was to intimidate Congress into punting on their lawful January 6 duty and throw it over to Plan B. He says as much in this clip, and if it wasn't his intention to derail Congress then what the hell was the point of sending the throng down the mall in the first place.

No doubt about it, a coup attempt.

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No, you're both idiots.

That is, right or left extremists when rioting are considered idiots.

[rayg]

[QUOTE=togor;626208]Trump said many things that day. It's important that you don't just read into them the mildest of possible interpretations and disregard the other possibilities, because clearly a good many who were there that day took his words more aggressively.

Remember the gambit was to intimidate Congress into punting on their lawful January 6 duty and throw it over to Plan B. He says as much in this clip, and if it wasn't his intention to derail Congress then what the hell was the point of sending the throng down the mall in the first place.

No doubt about it, a coup attempt.


OH PLEASE!....It was no were near anything like a coup attempt! There was no intent to take over the government! Protest yes but not a coup!

Coup d'?tat - Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Coup_d'?tat
listen); French for "blow of state"), often shortened to coup in English, (also known as an overthrow) is a seizure and removal of a government and its powers.

America is far too strong to be toppled by a guy wearing face paint in Viking horns, who the police should have stopped before he got into the Capitol in the first place.

Politicians and media pundits who say otherwise think you’ll settle for the propaganda, and that you’re too stupid to realize the truth. And most Americans know it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-horns.html

[togor]

Ray to be clear--

The people at the Capitol that day were not trying to by themselves take over the government. But they were trying, some of them, to directly prevent Congress from certifying Biden to take over on 20 January. Others may have been there to make noise, smoke weed, or both. They were useful as a distraction.

What makes it a coup attempt is how the Trump faction was prepared to move on 7 January if the crowd had succeeded in derailing Congress.

Hopefully not too hard to see the outlines of the battle plan. And yes they needed a lot of cooperation. Not just from a willing Capitol mob, but also a cowed Congress that chose not to do it's duty, plus state legislatures in purple states to buy into the Big Lie (that somehow the same ballots that elected them were flawed as far as their Trump results went).

It didn't work, but beyond question Trump's inner circle went for it.

[rayg]

Togor said What makes it a coup attempt is how the Trump faction was prepared to move on 7 January if the crowd had succeeded in derailing Congress.

Ray asks.. And you have proof of this?

[RED]

Togor said What makes it a coup attempt is how the Trump faction was prepared to move on 7 January if the crowd had succeeded in derailing Congress.

Ray asks.. And you have proof of this?

Of course, just like Justice Sotomayor has positive proof there are 100,000 US children hospitalized with COVID. Just like there was rock hard, positive proof Trump colluded with the Russians and peed on Obamas bed.

Twist and turn?

[lyman]

Of course, just like Justice Sotomayor has positive proof there are 100,000 US children hospitalized with COVID. Just like there was rock hard, positive proof Trump colluded with the Russians and peed on Obamas bed.

Twist and turn?

yup,

and blindly following the party line

[one shot]

Of course, just like Justice Sotomayor has positive proof there are 100,000 US children hospitalized with COVID. Just like there was rock hard, positive proof Trump colluded with the Russians and peed on Obamas bed.

Twist and turn?

I could believe half of that .

[Johnny P]

Well, she only missed it by a little over 96,000. How truthful do you expect an Obama appointee to be anyway?

[togor]

Togor said What makes it a coup attempt is how the Trump faction was prepared to move on 7 January if the crowd had succeeded in derailing Congress.

Ray asks.. And you have proof of this?

You weren't following events much were you.

They weren't making a secret of it. Just ask the Michigan state legislators who were flown in for WH meetings. Just ask Brad Raffensberger!

Seriously....go back an familiarize yourself with the events of that time.

The idea was....wage an endless campaign to sow doubt about election results. See if officials in the key close states would crack. Put Congress off from doing it's Constitutional duty on January 6th if necessary. Then throw the shebang into the House where every state gets one vote.

Everything above is out there, Ray. None of it is disputed. And if someone believes the Big Lie then it all seems to make sense. That's why they repeated it endlessly, and continue to do so. Trump was actually telling the Big Lie months before the election, so important was it to his plans.

It's all out there. See for yourself, if you want to.

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Of course, just like Justice Sotomayor has positive proof there are 100,000 US children hospitalized with COVID. Just like there was rock hard, positive proof Trump colluded with the Russians and peed on Obamas bed.

Twist and turn?

Saw that, and IIRC the "liberal media" dinged her for it. Too bad that last bit didn't make it's way into your post.

But of course this is you twisting, turning, to deflect the topic away from a direction you dislike.

[togor]

Here:

Michigan GOP refutes the Big Lie in their state.

https://misenategopcdn.s3.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/99/doccuments/20210623/SMPO_2020ElectionReport_2.pdf

Maricopa County GOP did the same recently in AZ.

The hired hack in WI, Gableman, is making a complete ass of himself and not getting anywhere.

You were lied to. Some of you believed it. Some of you might still believe. Nevertheless, it was a lie. That's what you get for putting stock in Trump.

[togor]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-2020-win.html

Ray there's also the crackpot version of how to do it, from that trusted news source, the Daily Mail. That version is completely coup-y. So they were thinking about it, in all kinds of ways. Certainly a vibe of: screw the results, how do I stay in?

[dryheat]

I suppose there was some taxpayers money used to do all those recounts. Looking for witches. Nowadays that doesn't work so well. Talk about waste of money.
To be clear, I liked everything Trump was about, but not him so much. It's a conundrum that most of the people that make sense to me and most conservatives end up being a little nutty. I don't understand why we can't get normal people to stand up (Davy Crockett et al) for what is sensible and not be weird. Maybe it takes a weirdo. Or an A****le. You know it's against the law these days to dislike anyone.

[rayg]

Nothing I read that you posted identifies that it was a "COUP" attempt. Now unless I missed it, it was only people making noise, and possibly trespassing, and the very most by a strength it could be considered a riot, but not a COUP! Reread the definition of Coup! Had nothing to do with what some people not there would have wished for, or tried to say it was!

Coup d'?tat - Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Coup_d'?tat
listen); French for "blow of state"), often shortened to coup in English, (also known as an overthrow) is a seizure and removal of a government and its powers.