If Schumer manages to get his "Voting Rights" bill into law ...

[dogtag]

This will be the likely liberal media headline :

"Democrats win enormous victory in the mid-term elections.
With close to six hundred million mail in votes counted,
Pelosi and Schumer retain their majorities in both the House
and Senate with big increases. Republican protests about
there being more votes cast than there are citizens falls on
deaf democrat ears. Republicans have suffered their biggest
ever defeat having lost all but thirty seats in the House and
fifteen seats in the Senate making their objections to future
forward thinking democrat ideas meaningless".

New York Times banner headline declares "Democracy Restored"

[togor]

Voting rights are bad.

Politicians should be able to choose their voters.

Did I say these things right?

[blackhawknj]

You have to show proof of residency to get a library card, register a child for school, show ID and sign for some over the counter drugs such as decongestants-trying renewing a driver's license here in NJ, yet when it comes time to vote....?

[Hal O'Peridol]

Voting rights are bad.

Politicians should be able to choose their voters.

Did I say these things right?

No, not even close.

The voters are supposed to choose the politicians. apparently you don't like that.

[togor]

No, not even close.

The voters are supposed to choose the politicians. apparently you don't like that.

I was taking a sarcastic dig at Gerrymandering. In my state it's off-the-charts ridiculous, and the inevitable result is that the elected officials are even bigger pinheads than you'd dare imagine would be possible.

[togor]

You have to show proof of residency to get a library card, register a child for school, show ID and sign for some over the counter drugs such as decongestants-trying renewing a driver's license here in NJ, yet when it comes time to vote....?

Did your grandparents have to show their papers to vote?

What's slightly hilarious to me are those who gladly produce their papers for voting, but if proof of COVID vaccination is required for some optional activity, well Holy Sh*t they go through the roof and act like it's Nazi Germany. (Hint: if it was, they'd be in a camp learning to think right, and they would be vaccinated.)

Consequently I see "papers please" broad arguments as horse manure. Everything is case by case. There's more voting restrictions then I'd personally like to see (think: your grandparents day) but on the plus side there's no meaningful fraud, except in rural Arkansas, where according to Vernon they just can't get a handle on mail-in ballot problems, try though they might!

[blackhawknj]

When the vaccinations are proven to be say, 95% effective, then I can see asking proof of vaccination. On the other hand I adhere to the old idea that health and medical matters are private, between the patient and the health professionals and providers.
Politicians prefer to choose their voters, that's what the graveyard vote is all about.

[kj47]

If fauci and his cronies have their way, people will have to be vaxed to vote!

[togor]

When the vaccinations are proven to be say, 95% effective, then I can see asking proof of vaccination. On the other hand I adhere to the old idea that health and medical matters are private, between the patient and the health professionals and providers.
Politicians prefer to choose their voters, that's what the graveyard vote is all about.

True on the graveyard, but also true on the Gerrymanders. All in all fraud is grossly overblown by people who don't seem to like the idea that elections aren't there for their side to automatically win.

We require vaccinations for some contagious diseases when the social cost of widespread outbreaks is too high to bear. Think: measles, polio, smallpox, rubella.

Vaccine efficacy is part of that, as the point of vaccines is to reduce the societal cost. Influenza is a good example there. Efficacy is limited, the disease endemic, and even in a typical bad flu year, society can handle it. For COVID, that cost shows up in hospital overload, and the extended stays of the very ill, who are even now, dominated by the unvaccinated. It also shows up in supply chain disruptions in manufacturing and distribution, and schools, where the discussion now is figuring out how quickly they can get the recovered back in the door. COVID might be like flu someday in it's societal costs but for now it's more like a really bad measles.

Shingles vaccine? Private matter. Even HPV, same idea. Yes the virus is transmitted, but not through the air to random people nearby.

[Art]

Did your grandparents have to show their papers to vote?

My grandparents, on both sides, lived in the post reconstruction south so, living in a world of poll taxes and literacy tests they had to do a lot more than show an ID. At least they lived after the time when some states required an old boy be a property owner to vote .

That aside, the franchise has residence and citizenship requirements (except New York.) That being the case I cast my lot with the folks who believe that showing a drivers license or other state ID, or in my state, a rent receipt or utility bill in an emergency, shouldn't be looked on as a hardship.

[lyman]

Until the past 2 cycles , we had to provide ID,

State issues a Voters card, which was not acceptable , an ID or DL card thru the DMV was, since it had a photo,

simple show, and recite your address,

cycle before last, the DL was not required, yet accepted when I handed it over,,

this past cycle, DL not accepted, but my voter ID was,

[Hal O'Peridol]

I was taking a sarcastic dig at Gerrymandering. In my state it's off-the-charts ridiculous, and the inevitable result is that the elected officials are even bigger pinheads than you'd dare imagine would be possible.

Sure you were. I am SO sorry that I misconstrued your post.